Token bars vanished

As of today our token bars have vanished, only the GM can see them, despite fully working before.

Do you have hover selected?  

I've tried with and without. No change.

Please have your GM check the token settings to make sure "edit" is enabled (for tokens you control) and "see" is enabled (for tokens you don't control, if the GM wants you to see them).

Ok, thanks, somehow it was switched off.

Ignis Fatuus said: Ok, thanks, somehow it was switched off. There was an update today that may have done that. 

Yeah, I can see that. The bars are... weird. And they overlap almost half of the token now.

Ignis Fatuus said: Yeah, I can see that. The bars are... weird. And they overlap almost half of the token now. Could you supply a screenshot of the overlap please? 

Gauss said: Ignis Fatuus said: Yeah, I can see that. The bars are... weird. And they overlap almost half of the token now. Could you supply a screenshot of the overlap please?  Overlap and the bar shows up like this even though its on the GM layer instead of being blacked out like the token

Jonathan M. said: Gauss said: Ignis Fatuus said: Yeah, I can see that. The bars are... weird. And they overlap almost half of the token now. Could you supply a screenshot of the overlap please?  Overlap and the bar shows up like this even though its on the GM layer instead of being blacked out like the token (Repost from Jonathan's thread) Can you please check your token's settings, is it set for "Bottom" or is it set for "Bottom Overlapping"? Here is what my testing is showing (Old vs New):  These are set to "Bottom Overlapping" Appears the old bars are a bit thinner in width, with the (old) individual bars being shorter in height. Also, the old bars are more transparent.  But the overall height of all 3 bars together appears to be roughly the same.  Still, I can see how this would be perceived as taking up more space. 

Gauss said: Jonathan M. said: Gauss said: Ignis Fatuus said: Yeah, I can see that. The bars are... weird. And they overlap almost half of the token now. Could you supply a screenshot of the overlap please?  Overlap and the bar shows up like this even though its on the GM layer instead of being blacked out like the token (Repost from Jonathan's thread) Can you please check your token's settings, is it set for "Bottom" or is it set for "Bottom Overlapping"? Here is what my testing is showing (Old vs New):  These are set to "Bottom Overlapping" Appears the old bars are a bit thinner in width, with the (old) individual bars being shorter in height. Also, the old bars are more transparent.  But the overall height of all 3 bars together appears to be roughly the same.  Still, I can see how this would be perceived as taking up more space.  Yeah that old style to me defiantly looks much better to what we have now. and yeah it does make it look like its taking more when it may not be. but the issue with the bars and name bleeding into all the layers is what needs to be fixed.

Jonathan, regarding the bars and name bleeding into all the layers, do you mean that nameplates and bars from the GM layer are showing up on other layers? If so, that bug was supposed to be resolved earlier today, please hit shift+F5 to see if that resolves it.  If that doesn't resolve it please let me know and we can troubleshoot further.  Or do you mean the bar isn't faded like the token? 

Gauss said: Jonathan, regarding the bars and name bleeding into all the layers, do you mean that nameplates and bars from the GM layer are showing up on other layers? If so, that bug was supposed to be resolved earlier today, please hit shift+F5 to see if that resolves it.  If that doesn't resolve it please let me know and we can troubleshoot further.  when a token or anything thats placed on the GM Layer gets Transparent and Blacked out to not take over the other layers and to appear like its not there etc. now the Bars and the nameplate on a token in the GM layer shows up like its on the token/object layer not blacked out but fully bright. this token the bars and the name use to be blacked out just like it the rest of the token is in this picture. on the GM layer. if this is causing other people other than me the GM to see it i do not have answer for that because i have rejoined as a player and it does not show up. this is a GM layer Token and a Token layer token side by side the Bars used to be blacked out and darkened like the GM layer token picture. and what browser does this Shift+f5 work because that command does not work on firefox browser.

There is one large annoyance with the new token bar update, specifically with the way it handles the 'Top overlapping' option is now incorrect/not how it used to be. As it states the bottom most bar would overlap the top and the others sit above it, it made it quite useful for having the bottom bar be used as hp and secondary resource bars above the token where it was less of a big deal if they'd be covered up by another token being above it.  An example of how the bars used to be, with the bar 3: being used as hp in this case, overlapping the top and the other bar being directly above it. A screenshot today of the same tokens with the same option from the same campaign: The 'Top overlapping' option no longer accurately works as described, and the second bars obscure far more of the tokens. Either fixing the Top overlapping option to match its previous state/ description or an option to revert the token bars altogether to the old manner would be vastly appreciated. At this point I have to go through and alter every token bar to remove the additional bars if I don't want the top third of most character tokens to be obscured when having bars visible.

Ok, so first, congratulations, you don't need to do a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5 for Firefox, sorry). What you are experiencing is not todays earlier bug where players saw the bars and names of tokens on the GM layer.  Yes, the bars are not faded on the GM layer like they used to be. Hopefully the Devs will address that at some point.  Edit: as for the Bars overlapping, I agree that "Top overlapping" is now moved down onto the Token rather than partially on the token like previous behavior. I will make a note to the Devs about this. As with the bars not being faded, hopefully they will address that at some point. 

I duly appreciate the quick reply, thank you. :) Hopefully it is an easy fix/adjustment. 

Can we please get the Hard Bordered Health bars back on tokens?

Austin said: Can we please get the Hard Bordered Health bars back on tokens? By this you mean the black border around the old bars? If you could cite a non-aesthetic reason (visibility perhaps) and include a screenshot it may help with your request with the Devs. 

Instead of BOLD I'd like to see those bars Transparent or AT LEAST the option to do so! Gauss said: Austin said: Can we please get the Hard Bordered Health bars back on tokens? By this you mean the black border around the old bars? If you could cite a non-aesthetic reason (visibility perhaps) and include a screenshot it may help with your request with the Devs. 

Yep, this glitch is happening to my players too. I can see the token bars fine, they can't see them at all, regardless of whether the "Hover" setting is checked or not. All of them have control over their tokens and can edit them. I've replicated the problem by using a test dummy account on a different browser and by rejoining as a player on my main account. Also, while you're fixing this bug, Roll20 devs, could you please kindly shrink these new token bars back to their original size, get rid of the bold font, and return the slight transparency? The new bars are extremely garish, take up too much space, and distract heavily from the rest of the tabletop due to their size and opacity.

Kaiju K. said: Yep, this glitch is happening to my players too. I can see the token bars fine, they can't see them at all, regardless of whether the "Hover" setting is checked or not. All of them have control over their tokens and can edit them. I've replicated the problem by using a test dummy account on a different browser and by rejoining as a player on my main account. Also, while you're fixing this bug, Roll20 devs, could you please kindly shrink these new token bars back to their original size, get rid of the bold font, and return the slight transparency? The new bars are extremely garish, take up too much space, and distract heavily from the rest of the tabletop due to their size and opacity. Do they have "see" checkmarked? The current "See/Edit" bug is where "Edit" no longer allows players to see their own bars, you need to also enable "See".  The Devs are aware of this bug and hopefully it will be resolved tomorrow. 

Token bars used to have options, now you can't even click in it? o.O

Neo said: Token bars used to have options, now you can't even click in it? o.O Are you saying you cannot click on the Text Overlay to change it? 

Gauss said: Neo said: Token bars used to have options, now you can't even click in it? o.O Are you saying you cannot click on the Text Overlay to change it?  Exactly what I'm saying, the cursor changes to a circle with a diagonal bar in it when I hover it over the "hidden" field. EDIT: It would appear only one token is doing that for me atm, it's the Fighter Noble from Phandelver I have transmogrified to my main campaign a while back. I'll keep looking... -.-

Neo said: Exactly what I'm saying, the cursor changes to a circle with a diagonal bar in it when I hover it over the "hidden" field. EDIT: It would appear only one token is doing that for me atm, it's the Fighter Noble from Phandelver I have transmogrified to my main campaign a while back. I'll keep looking... -.- Ok, it may be that that token is broken in some way. If you find more broken tokens please let us know. 

Gauss said: Neo said: Exactly what I'm saying, the cursor changes to a circle with a diagonal bar in it when I hover it over the "hidden" field. EDIT: It would appear only one token is doing that for me atm, it's the Fighter Noble from Phandelver I have transmogrified to my main campaign a while back. I'll keep looking... -.- Ok, it may be that that token is broken in some way. If you find more broken tokens please let us know.  I manage to recreate the "feature". I deleted the token from the sheet. I've dropped a blank token from the sheet. It appear to be working properly at first, then after re-doing the token it was still broken. I started toggling "normal" to "compact" on and off, and when normal it works fine, but when compact is selected, that's when the field breaks. I hope I'm making sense lol, now to make and drink my morning coffee... ;oP I've never used the "compact" token bars, so I can't say if it's working as intended? But switching all PC's/NPC's to compact HP bars sounds really good right now ;oP Recreated with a different sheet (Giant Rat NPC), I'm getting the exact same thing. Feature or bug? Nevermind, text overlay feature... Coffee!!!

Yeah, when using the "Compact" setting, it turns off the text overlay, since there's no room for it. That's the setting I typically use. I don't think this particular thing is broken. (But there's a lot that is).

keithcurtis said: Yeah, when using the "Compact" setting, it turns off the text overlay, since there's no room for it. That's the setting I typically use. I don't think this particular thing is broken. (But there's a lot that is). I've never looked into the compact bars, but I started to change all the HP bars (Ally/Enemies) to compact because it looks wayyy too good not to use. The thing when you force changes without a heads up and end up breaking everything, it confuses users (or maybe it's just me?!?) and everything "new" feels broken heh. On a side note, I don't sleep as much as I would hope to heh -.- Now if we could have the bar have an alternate color, we could set the HP bar to be Green >= 50% and Red < 50%. Now that would be extra cool ^.^ #WishfulThinking 

Thanks for the Reply, but ow we can either opt to see our token's bars AND everyone else's PC's bars or neither

Ignis Fatuus said: Thanks for the Reply, but ow we can either opt to see our token's bars AND everyone else's PC's bars or neither Token Settings. The "SEE" permission is the important one in this case! If THIS permission is denied (e.g. for an NSC) players will not be able to see bars or nameplates! If you want to set things up for your players being able to see all Namplates of the other SCs, simply enable the "See" Permission. Same for the bars. And after Editing a token this way, be sure to set it as the Default Token for that character sheet, just cause if you create a token by drawing the sheet onto the VTT, everything is set as it should and you do not have to do it over and over again...

Gauss said: Do they have "see" checkmarked? The current "See/Edit" bug is where "Edit" no longer allows players to see their own bars, you need to also enable "See".  The Devs are aware of this bug and hopefully it will be resolved tomorrow. "See" enables them to see their name tag, but the token bars up top are still hidden from view. Edit: Scratch that, I didn't notice there were multiple "See" boxes to check at first. This is a fix for now.

No, I mean, we don't want to see the bars of the other players. Yet we have no idea we one can only see one's own bars. All tokens are linked with a journal and all.

"See" and "Edit" are currently broken. The previous behavior was: See = All players can see Edit = Only controlling player can see You likely had "Edit" chosen before, which would allow players to see their own token bar, but not others. This behavior is screwed up now, but devs have been made aware and it is on the list of many fixes they are working on.

Ah. okay. Thank you. That cleared it up a bit.