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Removing the Default Token from ANY Character Sheet leads to generic Icon instead of Avatar when dropping on VTT

Reproduction Steps: Create a new Character and upload an Image for said character. Drag&Drop it on the VTT (on the Name) -> Token with uploaded image is created (expected!) Edit the Token Bars and Settings and Link that token to the sheet as default (so far so good) -> Drag&Drop on VTT leads to the default token being dropped on VTT (expected and works!) HOWEVER: Removing THAT default token linked to the sheet in step 3 leads to unexpected results when dropping on VTT. Instead of the Avatar Picture uploaded in Step 1, you get the generic blue Icon.
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EVEN WORSE: Just removing the default Token removes the AVATAR uploaded to that sheet as well! EDIT: Putting the avatar back into the sheet from the Library and dragging it on the VTT leads again to the generic Icon and NOT as expected to the avatar picture...
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Another STRANGE behavior: Put the Avatar picture on the VTT and link that as default token via Sheet (the one created earlier where the default token was removed) Open the settings of the placed token. The Token (Avatar Picture) was NOT linked to the sheet even though I did that in Step 1 via Sheet! Link the Token to the Sheet via Token Settings and Save. Result: If the Token bars are edited directly, a second token is randomly placed on the VTT and is updated in some strange way... This should NOT be the case and is SERIOUSLY wrong! The only workaround for this is to recreate the sheet entirely!
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Gauss
Forum Champion
TheMarkus1204 said: Reproduction Steps: Create a new Character and upload an Image for said character. Drag&Drop it on the VTT (on the Name) -> Token with uploaded image is created (expected!) Edit the Token Bars and Settings and Link that token to the sheet as default (so far so good) -> Drag&Drop on VTT leads to the default token being dropped on VTT (expected and works!) HOWEVER: Removing THAT default token linked to the sheet in step 3 leads to unexpected results when dropping on VTT. Instead of the Avatar Picture uploaded in Step 1, you get the generic blue Icon. This is a known issue with the token update and has been reported. If you want to use the Avatar for your token there is still a method to do so:  1) Open the character sheet to the Bio & Info tab.  2) Move any text in Bio to the GM notes section, or temporarily "Cut" it (paste it back after). This step is required due to a z-layer issue with the text and the Avatar image.  3) Hover over the Avatar image, a handle will appear in the top left corner.  4) Drag the image to the table.  5) Paste or move the text back to the Bio section.  TheMarkus1204  said: EVEN WORSE: Just removing the default Token removes the AVATAR uploaded to that sheet as well! EDIT: Putting the avatar back into the sheet from the Library and dragging it on the VTT leads again to the generic Icon and NOT as expected to the avatar picture... Removing the Token should not remove the Avatar. In testing I am unable to reproduce this result. Could you provide steps for this? TheMarkus1204  said: Another STRANGE behavior: Put the Avatar picture on the VTT and link that as default token via Sheet (the one created earlier where the default token was removed) Open the settings of the placed token. The Token (Avatar Picture) was NOT linked to the sheet even though I did that in Step 1 via Sheet! Link the Token to the Sheet via Token Settings and Save. Result: If the Token bars are edited directly, a second token is randomly placed on the VTT and is updated in some strange way... This should NOT be the case and is SERIOUSLY wrong! The only workaround for this is to recreate the sheet entirely! Your reproduction steps appear to be missing a few steps. Could you supply a more detailed repro process? Just to make sure I am reproducing what you are doing. 
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This is a known issue with the token update and has been reported. If you want to use the Avatar for your token there is still a method to do so:  1) Open the character sheet to the Bio & Info tab.  2) Move any text in Bio to the GM notes section, or temporarily "Cut" it (paste it back after). This step is required due to a z-layer issue with the text and the Avatar image.  3) Hover over the Avatar image, a handle will appear in the top left corner.  4) Drag the image to the table.  5) Paste or move the text back to the Bio section.  I am NOT using the handle for the Avatar drop in the edit section of the sheet. I ALWAYS use the Journal and drag&drop by name! (This works fine if no token is linked! IF a token is linked as default, you can drag it out, it always uses the token image. If the token image is not there anymore, it uses the standard generic Item. Or in short: if a token is linked, the avatar picture is ignored completely and only to be shown in the journals! ) Removing the Token should not remove the Avatar. In testing I am unable to reproduce this result. Could you provide steps for this? As for the Reproduction steps for my second post: I did exactly what I said before. I created a sheet and uploaded a picture to it, then dragged it from the journal to create a token, edited the token and linked it to the sheet. Then I removed the default token from the sheet. And after dragging it to the VTT again, I saw the generic Image for the token and after looking into the journal it removed the avatar image of the sheet as well. Your reproduction steps appear to be missing a few steps. Could you supply a more detailed repro process? Just to make sure I am reproducing what you are doing.  Create a sheet and upload an image to it Drag the sheet out from the journal (by name) to create a token edit the token and link it to the sheet (Use selected token) Dragging it out from the journal leads to the desired token. REMOVE the linked token from the sheet and drag it out again from the journal (avatar picture should be displayed, instead it is the generic image!) Delete this generic token and drag the original image from the library to the VTT (from recent uploads) Link THIS Image as new Token to the Sheet (via Edit) and Replace avatar if necessary (if removed as well) click on the image dragged to the VTT from the library. It should be linked to the character sheet as this was done right before this. BUT it is still a generic token and NOT linked to any sheet! So the last step is to link this token to the respective sheet! (you have now 2 Links; 1 from the token to the sheet and the other from the sheet to the token; both enabled via settings) Experiment by changing values in the bars or deleting one of the tokens. Root cause for this last Problem is Step 8 (linking is not taken over from sheet to token and vice versa)
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Gauss
Forum Champion
TheMarkus1204 said: This is a known issue with the token update and has been reported. If you want to use the Avatar for your token there is still a method to do so:  1) Open the character sheet to the Bio & Info tab.  2) Move any text in Bio to the GM notes section, or temporarily "Cut" it (paste it back after). This step is required due to a z-layer issue with the text and the Avatar image.  3) Hover over the Avatar image, a handle will appear in the top left corner.  4) Drag the image to the table.  5) Paste or move the text back to the Bio section.  I am NOT using the handle for the Avatar drop in the edit section of the sheet. I ALWAYS use the Journal and drag&drop by name! (This works fine if no token is linked! IF a token is linked as default, you can drag it out, it always uses the token image. If the token image is not there anymore, it uses the standard generic Item. Or in short: if a token is linked, the avatar picture is ignored completely and only to be shown in the journals! ) I think you misunderstood, I was suggesting a workaround. The Avatar picture being ignored is a known issue of the token update a month or so ago. Restating the workaround : you can still pull the avatar image as I described in my steps above.   Removing the Token should not remove the Avatar. In testing I am unable to reproduce this result. Could you provide steps for this? As for the Reproduction steps for my second post: I did exactly what I said before. I created a sheet and uploaded a picture to it, then dragged it from the journal to create a token, edited the token and linked it to the sheet. Then I removed the default token from the sheet. And after dragging it to the VTT again, I saw the generic Image for the token and after looking into the journal it removed the avatar image of the sheet as well. Ok, as stated previously, that is a known change that has been reported to the Devs.  Your reproduction steps appear to be missing a few steps. Could you supply a more detailed repro process? Just to make sure I am reproducing what you are doing.  Create a sheet and upload an image to it Drag the sheet out from the journal (by name) to create a token edit the token and link it to the sheet (Use selected token) Dragging it out from the journal leads to the desired token. REMOVE the linked token from the sheet and drag it out again from the journal (avatar picture should be displayed, instead it is the generic image!) Delete this generic token and drag the original image from the library to the VTT (from recent uploads) Link THIS Image as new Token to the Sheet (via Edit) and Replace avatar if necessary (if removed as well) click on the image dragged to the VTT from the library. It should be linked to the character sheet as this was done right before this. BUT it is still a generic token and NOT linked to any sheet! So the last step is to link this token to the respective sheet! (you have now 2 Links; 1 from the token to the sheet and the other from the sheet to the token; both enabled via settings) Experiment by changing values in the bars or deleting one of the tokens. Root cause for this last Problem is Step 8 (linking is not taken over from sheet to token and vice versa) In none of your steps do you list the "Represents Character" step of linking it to the token. Step 3 "Use Default Token" does not link a token to a character. It simply saves the token in it's current state to the character.  You need to open the token, set "Represents Character" to the desired character sheet. Then update it either via the "Update Default Token" in the Token Settings or by "Use Selected Token" in the Character.  If you were doing that but not listing it in your reproduction steps please list ALL steps in the future. Granularity in reproduction steps matters. :) Also, your step 3 has you doing things in two different ways.  You said "edit the token", but then you said "Use Selected Token".  Editing the token is editing the token on the map. But "Use Selected Token" is only available via the Character.  If you meant Editing the token via the Character then that is "Edit Token Properties".  These differences provide very different outcomes during troubleshooting. Could you clarify your steps further?
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By "Editing the token" I meant the image directly on the VTT (not on the Character Sheet as it was before the recent changes!) When dragging out of the journal the "token" on the VTT is already linked to the sheet, so I edit this via the token settings (NOT character sheet!), I then use the edited token as default for the sheet by selecting the option there...
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TheMarkus1204 said: By "Editing the token" I meant the image directly on the VTT (not on the Character Sheet as it was before the recent changes!) When dragging out of the journal the "token" on the VTT is already linked to the sheet, so I edit this via the token settings (NOT character sheet!), I then use the edited token as default for the sheet by selecting the option there... Ok, with that said then here is the problem:  Step 7 you create a brand new token and link it to the sheet. But there is no step setting the Default Token.  Step 8 Since you have not set a new default token the "Blue Man" token will still appear.  Honestly, instead of doing the whole step 7 the way you are doing it...just drag the image onto the Default Token section. It will set that image to the token. One step and done. No need to save it or anything.  Other than the Avatar not being dropped on the table when you have no Default Token image set, I am not seeing any issues. And as for the Avatar, it is a known issue that has been reported before and I have indicated the current workaround.  Or am I missing something else?
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[If I say "Dragged", I mean Dragged from the Journal (Name of the sheet)] If NO token is in the sheet, just the avatar, the avatar is displayed on VTT once dragged there. However: Once a token is linked the avatar is ignored completely! If you delete the token in the sheet, the generic icon is displayed when dragged to the VTT although the avatar is still present (and the avatar should be displayed). This is a Bug and should be reported.
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Gauss
Forum Champion
TheMarkus1204 said: [If I say "Dragged", I mean Dragged from the Journal (Name of the sheet)] If NO token is in the sheet, just the avatar, the avatar is displayed on VTT once dragged there. However: Once a token is linked the avatar is ignored completely! If you delete the token in the sheet, the generic icon is displayed when dragged to the VTT although the avatar is still present (and the avatar should be displayed). This is a Bug and should be reported. I think there is a communication problem here. As I have stated several times, this is a known bug and the Devs are aware of it.  I have offered a workaround. Additionally, I was also trying to troubleshoot what seemed like a different problem you were having. I have suggested a solution to that issue. Resetting the token image instead of your current steps 5 through 7.  Are there any further issues that need resolution?
Gladly only 2 Sheets were affected by this. I recreated them from the scratch. Thanks for your Input and the workaround and I seriously hope Roll20 will get to it and fix these Problems!