Kraynic said: Seth The Frank said: Oosh, my guy, has anyone ever told you the joke about the UI designer who thought they could do UX? No? I can't imagine why no one told you, in specific, that joke. Your previous post did not at all look like a joke, and showed a misunderstanding of how browser cache works. If it was intended to be a joke and you do understand how browser cache works, then more than Oosh was fooled. I did not tell a joke The joke was left out, because that is the point. I gave an explanation to Oosh why he misunderstood the criticism of Roll20's system. To assert that the entire internet cache system is at fault for what is clearly a failure of Roll20 to design with UX in mind, I find amusing. You seem to also have accepted the idea that Roll20 could not have designed their system to avoid creating a false impression of what had or had not been deleted. In fact, what they did was take the shortcut of using the cache and then assumed that people would know how they had structured their display system. Again, the point, which it saddens me to have to make to you as well, is that they failed to take user experience into account and designed entirely around function with the assumption that others would understand the underlying system, despite those users not being coders. It survives because the primary group targeted by the site and avery large proportion of the heavy users includes a very sizeable proportion of people who code. But, it is why the overall site is constantly on the edge of being replaced by systems like talespire, Fantasygrounds, etc. All of whom understand that design like this one sacrifice usability for functionality.