dice question Das Schwarze Auge (DSA)

Hi I took a look at the avaible Das Schwarze Auge 4.1 Charactersheet and found a error with its abilities roll. &{template:DSA-Talente} {{name=@{TalentName}}} {{subtags=Körperlich}} {{Talent=[[@{TaW}+?{Erleichterung(+) / Erschwernis(-)|0} - {1d20cs1cf20 - @{Eigenschaft1}, 0d1}kh1 - {1d20cs1cf20 - @{Eigenschaft2}, 0d1}kh1- {1d20cs1cf20 - @{Eigenschaft3}, 0d1}kh1]]}} This would with a negativ modifier (Erschwernis(-)) greater than the TaW always result in a negativ. The reason is, that the d20 rolls on the attributes1 to3 (Eigenschaft1 to 3) either are negativ (attribute check failed) or 0 (attribute check successful). The DSA 4.1 rule for rolling abilites is that, with a negativ modifier greater than the TaW, the remaining negativ TaW are used as modifier on the attributes rolls. Let me show you a example. In DSA you need to roll below your Attributes to have a success, the roll fails if anyone attribute roll failes. Attr1 = 12 Attr2 = 11 Attr3 = 10 Ability (Attr1/Attr2/Attr3) = 5 TaW roll for Ability with a -7 modification 5 TaW - 7 (Mod) = -2 TaW roll Attr1 = 1d20+2 -> 12+2 = 14 -> fail roll Attr2 = 1d20+2 -> 10+2 = 12 -> fail roll Attr3 = 1d20+2 -> 7+2 = 9 -> success roll Attr1 = 1d20+2 -> 4+2 = 6 -> success roll Attr2 = 1d20+2 -> 5+2 = 7 -> success roll Attr3 = 1d20+2 -> 2+2 = 4 -> success the above code does not doe this. How can it be fixed? for a positiv TaW after modifications, the roll works for DSA 4.1 rules Now I have a even more advanced question I guess. I play with houserules that allow me to reduce the negative modificator with the diffrence of successful attribute rolls to zero. here a example: roll for Ability with a -7 modification 5 TaW -7 (Mod) = -2 TaW roll Attr1 = 1d20 -> 12 -> success roll Attr2 = 1d20 -> 10 -> success -> add difference of 1 to the -2 TaW -> -1 TaW remaining roll Attr3 = 1d20 -> 7 -> success -> add difference of 3 to the -1 TaW -> 0 TaW remaining roll Attr1 = 1d20 -> 10 -> success -> add differene of 2 to the -2 TaW -> 0 TaW remaining roll Attr2 = 1d20 -> 11 -> success roll Attr3 = 1d20 -> 15 -> fail Is it possible to do this with roll20? I hope it is understandable what I want to express.

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noone got a idea?

Been busy. Will try to look tomorrow

Creator of sheet here, already found a way to fix it, will upload the new sheet today at evening to github

In that case, I shall bow out, leaving it to the more knowledgible to handle.

Seems like my idea isnt quite working or I didnt find how to do it. I would need a function in the roll template that checks if a number is negative, zero, or postive. Does such a function exist?# I know that there is the helper funktion "{{#rollTotal() }}" with which I could do it but I had to do it with every possible value or does it also take a range of values?

Have you tried something like {{#rollTotal() die_roll < 0}} to check for negative? I have no idea if that will work, but maybe worth a shot?

G V. said: Have you tried something like {{#rollTotal() die_roll < 0}} to check for negative? I have no idea if that will work, but maybe worth a shot? tríed it and this is not working, most probably because < and > are used for opening and closing of the html tags

Looks like that I will change the whole roll template but I cant say when this done because for the next two weeks I will dont have much time.

I think any help is welcomed to solve this?

Take a look at the new features topic that went up a few hours ago. They introduced a few new roll template functions; of note: {{#rollGreater() die_roll 0}} and {{#rollLess() die_roll 0}}

manveti said: Take a look at the new features topic that went up a few hours ago. They introduced a few new roll template functions; of note: {{#rollGreater() die_roll 0}} and {{#rollLess() die_roll 0}} thanks for the link, nice to see that new features come right when i need them :D

Ok i have a workaround for now. Rolls with positive TaW are unchanged. Rolls with negative TaW have to be calculated manually until I have a working formula for it. But I have added a Roll Template for these negative rolls (see picture) to make it a bit easier/faster. As you can see in the picture there is now a new column called 'Mod' with is now the roll modifier, I had to remove the popup asking for it because with it i could not make a check for positive/negative roll. The Values of the "Eigenschaften" in the negative roll template are already lowered by the negative TaW First I will add this only to the Talent rolls. Magic/Miracle negative Roll mechanic will follow later. (And I think Magic/Miracle negative rolls are a waste of AsP/KaP ^^") I will upload the .html for use for mentors in a few hours. Update to the Roll20 sheet will be tomorrow or a bit later as I want to make sure that this is working. Luckily I am GMing today, maybe i get a chance to see negative rolls in action :)

Updated Sheet can be downloaded at <a href="https://github.com/Meteox/DSA-4.1-Character-Sheet-" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/Meteox/DSA-4.1-Character-Sheet-</a>... For any non-mentor that wanna test it I have prepared a campaign with several characters. Here´s the link to join. <a href="https://app.roll20.net/join/762054/gaLkYg" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/join/762054/gaLkYg</a>

looking forward to the new sheet

Hey Patrick, I am also looking for a way to implement the DSA dice roll for negative Talentwerte or negativ Talentwert-Erschwernis. I think I have a way, but it is very tricky and because of nested inline rolls I do not see the dice roll. Feel free to pm me. Edit: The way doesn´t work. Could be impossible to create the die-roll without API, because it works completely different with a negative score. Too bad. Next Edit: I found a way for DSA3-5. Unfortunately we are playing DSA2. I think the older dieroll will not work as a macro.

Kai has send me his solution and it´s working beautiful. I will update my sheet and afterwards upload it to github so that the open availavle sheet will be updated. And thanks again Kai! :)

Hi all, thanks for your work on the charakter sheet so far. =) Is there any chance, to see the result of the rolled dices? I'm not talking about the 3D enabled dices. I'm talking about the 3 rolled results. They can't be seen by the other players and the GM so far, right?

You can see them if you hover over the result, but it´s a little tricky to find them if you dont now where you find them in the formula, roll some macros and you see the 20´s and 1´s in red/green. After a while it´s quite easy to find the result´s of the single dice.