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Fix "What exactly does New Players Welcome checkbox mean?"

The campaign looking for players listing tool has two checkbox options, Specifically: Mature content,18+, pretty self explanatory "we will not be protecting the ears of your child" with no ambiguity But then there is "New Players Welcome" this one..... Well, it's in the looking for players listing, so obviously you want players new to your game. should I ignore it? Lets say you ignore it, now there are a few unclear interpretations of what constitutes a "new" player "Oh I'm new to the system, have never read the rules, don't know a thing about the gameplay and probably can't be expected to do any of that on my own even if you give me the rules." "Hey, I'm a new beginner to roleplaying games who heard about them once and would like to try my hand. 'I am in fact the reason there is always'what are roleplaying games' chapters in every rulebook'. You may or may not be required to teach me every single rule as it comes up, because I may or may not do more than look at the pictures in the rule book you gave me " "Hey, I've played a game or two of X, and thought Y seemed cool when I read the rules, but I'm not 100% familiar with them, I am in essence new to $system and may or may not be enthusiastic about trying to learn them." "Hey, I may or may not be familiar to the rules to $system to one degree or another, but don't know the first thing about $setting and may or may not be willing to even attempt to learn about it no matter how important a certain degree of familiarity is to $system games" The problem with the checkbox is that by saying all of those things at once, it includes all of the worst at once rather than just having a checkbox for rule system beginners welcome and maybe one for "Players expected to read the rules" if it's checked. Then add a third and fourth for "setting beginners welcome" and "players expected to become familiar with setting outside of play" or something
I have to agree with the ambiguity of the term. What it needs to say is, "Newbies Welcome!," or, "Beginners Welcome!" Everybody understands this. Clear. Concise. Done. Everybody is a "new player," if they haven't joined the game yet. As a flip side to that, it wouldn't hurt to have another tag specifically for, "Expert Players Welcome!" It would be one more aid to help filter games using the LFG tool.
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I agree that "Beginners Welcome" is a bit more clear than "New Players" since every listing in LFG is generally looking for Players who are New to that group, whether new to the game system or not. Good point.
It might be worth seperating beginners(I will happilly walk you through creation and the rules)/experts(Let's get character creation over quick) and Optimized(You need to be able to make a good character)/unoptomized(Your character just needs to function) [the second one might be better as a scale with examples]
Epsilon R. said: It might be worth seperating beginners(I will happilly walk you through creation and the rules)/experts(Let's get character creation over quick) and Optimized(You need to be able to make a good character)/unoptomized(Your character just needs to function) [the second one might be better as a scale with examples] That's a pretty nice way of summing up how some improved options might work.  Best of all is that it's just a couple optional pulldown menu/radio button/checkboxes to add and a couple column's added to the db for the lfg entries, existing lfg entries don't even need to be altered since the null value would be the same as not setting it
While we're at it, can we add a sort option that sorts by when the listed game was added to the LFG list?
I like the multiple options category.  Even Beginners is not clear as it should be - bigginer to what?  System as whole? System as updated (e.g D&D 3.5e vs 5e)  Roll20?  All digital format?  Have a mixed group can get very frustrating very quickly for those not prepared. Let it be concise: New to System Welcome.   New to Roll20 Welcome. Experienced System Players Only Experienced Roll20 Players Only The optimized vs un-optimized is really a GM choice by setting the character creation with appropriate rules.  Maybe as part of the description. Optimized campaign - requires optimized characters Un-optimized characters Welcome. And lastly, improve the search to align with the new choices along with additional details (e.g. date game was added to LFG list).
I really like changing it to "Beginners Welcome."  While I do understand people's desire to add more options to this category, I'm concerned that adding things like "experts" and "optimized" could just make things more confusing and divisive.  I think what might help is the ability to search for games that don't check that box (for those players who want to play with more experienced people exclusively.)
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