Oh, Lord, I probably won't be sticking with a gnome as a bard then lol. I've only ever done the roll 4d6 and drop the lowest thing. That link is cool, Kain. Edit: Okay, sticking with gnome modifiers, I rolled up 9 Str, 16 Dex, 14 Con, 14 Int, 8 Wis, 15 Cha (that last one makes me weep D':) lol. Using the same rolls with half-elf modifiers I end up with 9 Str, 15 Dex, 14 Con, 12 Int, 8 Wis, 17 Cha. Hmm.....