Can we please sort out the problem with the token bars?

This confuses the hell out of me. I can see no reason why bars 1-3 do not correlate between token & settings. Why on earth is bar 1 on the token bar 3 in settings, bar 2 on the token bar 1 in settings & bar 3 on the token is bar 2 in settings? I know its a minor aesthetic thing, but it bugs the hell out of me. John

I believe the original explanation was, when you only use 1 bar, it is the circle (Radial Menu Bubble) that is centered. The color-coding corresponds (Green is Green, Blue is Blue, Red is Red, these colors can be changed) so at least it is recognizable that way. Wiki docs,&nbsp; <a href="https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Features#Radial_Menu" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Features#Radial_Menu</a>...

I must agree with John. I understand the rationale, but the confusion of misordered bubbles outweighs the benefit of having a single bubble centered. This benefit is ruined if two bubbles are showing, as they will not be centered anyway. The best solution would be to make the bubbles center themselves above the token however many bubbles there are. One bubble: bubble one appears directly above the token. Two bubbles: bubble one appears above and to the left; bubble two appears above and to the right. Three bubbles: bubble one appears above and to the left; bubble two appears directly above; bubble three appears above and to the right. A less ideal, but still acceptable, solution would be to keep the bubbled fixed, but in the correct order. One bubble: bubble one appears above and to the left. Two bubbles: bubble one appears above and to the left; bubble two appears directly above. Three bubbles: bubble one appears above and to the left; bubble two appears directly above; bubble three appears above and to the right.

Thanks for the response Gold, but I respectfully fail to see how that makes any sense whatsoever. Why make it more confusing than it needs to be? Why should I, as a new user, have to change the default colours straight out of the box when they obviously do not correspond to the bars/bubbles. Bar 1 should relate to bubble 1 etc.&nbsp; John

John, changing the bar colors also changes the bubble colors along with them, so they'll still be out of order. What Gold is saying is that instead of trying to match the first bar with the first bubble, try matching the green bar with the green bubble. The rationale behind the weird ordering is that if you were only playing with one bubble visible to players, they didn't want that bubble to be hanging off in space to the left of the token. They wanted it to be centered. For some reason, the bubbles can't center themselves. (That's what they should fix.) I don't really understand this rationale anyway, since the settings and status buttons are also hanging off the token to the left.

Ah, ok. Cheers David. Still not overly intuitive. John

the correct UI would be that if they're changed in settings they'd also change on the token. Bar 1 in settings should always = Bubble 1 on tokens, and so on, even if the colors are changed. It's not a difficult update, probably just extremely low on dev's to do list.

TheWebCoder said: the correct UI would be that if they're changed in settings they'd also change on the token. Bar 1 in settings should always = Bubble 1 on tokens, and so on, even if the colors are changed. It's not a difficult update, probably just extremely low on dev's to do list. If colors are changed in settings, the corresponding color changes on the corresponding bar. This works. Also, Bar 1 is always = Bubble 1 on tokens, even if the colors are changed. This is already true. Bar 2 = Bubble 2, Bar 3 = Bubble 3. The part I think that you're addressing is, Bubble 1 is the middle bubble. It sounds like you would like Bubble 1 to be the left bubble, and that is understandable, a good suggestion. The left bubble is currently Bubble 3 in Roll20's system. The right-side bubble is Bubble 2 corresponding with Bar 2, in Roll20 presently.

This is confusing the heck out of us in my campaign.

Oh yes, I also never get used to this.&nbsp;

It's certainly possible to alter the css/html to center the green circle if it's the only one visible and have them show up in order if more than one bar/circle is being used.

I'm locked out of accessing my votes at the moment. But this is a huge Quality of Life issue. Not only are the bars out of order. But not being able to adjust their position makes the canvas a mess. Labels and Bars should be able to have their positions adjusted. I only need to show 1 bar to my players. I'd like it to be bar 1 because it's bubble is centered over the token. Same for the Nameplates, these should be tweakable as well. This is just one example from Marketplace content where this is a mess. To be honest, this is pretty good. With Storm King's Thunder, this was way worse with 50' maps.

As a basic accessibility principle, color alone should not distinguish something, and the order is what I would rely on if I wasn't able to discern the color well.

I agree with Pat that color alone should not be all that distinguish them. I have played several games with individuals that have various kinds of color blindness. So, I could not tell them "the red circle" and be sure they would input info in the correct one. Perhaps, give each a different shape or give a GM an option to change the shape of individual items. GF

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