Oh okies...If you folks prefer to use less (like 25/2) I won't object, esp. if you are planning tier 1-2 classes or have good optimization skills :) On the other hand if you intend core fighter/rogue, or for that matter pretty much any martial please take the bump. Hurm, much thinking...Let's see what the other players vote for, I can be flexible. Edit: My take is if I offer more options the more players will be able to add that fluff trait or skill. I am a big fan of fluff. :) That and I find a party where not just the bard or sorcerer has a charisma above 7, the wizard that doesn't dump strength, etc...to be refreshingly different, lol. Plus hey its home game and I like having options available to folks that normally don't have them in Society play. Hence extra traits, feats. Also most of my friends are very low on optimization so I that is another reason why I tend to buff their stats so they keep up. On that note I may be missremebering but are not APs are built around core 4 and what 15 point buys? So yes I get the concern. It is a very valid point. If most folks want a lower build hen sure we'll do that. Just waiting on more feedback then. :)