This might be a bit of a provocative question (especially in a Roll20 forum), and apologies up front if I offend anyone with it, but hopefully I'll get some constructive comments / advice. I'm looking to start a new online campaign (either Pathfinder or Shadowrun) and am currently looking at virtual tabletop applications. I've narrowed my search down to maptools and Roll20 and was looking for some helpful advice to finalise my decision. I've used maptools before in a face to face game and once id worked out the quirks of using java 6 and how to setup tokens etc was pretty impressed. I especially liked the dynamic lighting and sight features (which while not perfect were very impressive) as well as the flexibility of the tokens / properties and macros. My concern is that it would appear (and I may be wrong here) that the development of the tool isn't progressing. I appreciate that development is done by a few talented people and its not funded, but the latest version is now over a year old and I haven't seen anything to suggest a new build is in the offing, in fact the last post about a build 1.4 is now over a year old (other than the feature requests). In addition it would appear to be quite complex to setup a session for playing over the web (port forwarding etc) - although I appreciate this is something you probably only have to do once. On the other hand I have also been looking at Roll20. Unlike maptools this appears to be in a state of development and has some level of funding. However it doesn't appear to be as flexible as maptools and whilst not a major issue requires payment in order to make use of their version of dynamic lighting. It also appears to be pretty simple to setup for use on the web although there is the disadvantage that you 'have' to use it online. Hopefully you can see my quandary, as I don't want to invest the time and effort in maptools if it is a dying beast, but likewise don't want to go with Roll20 if it is always going to be less than maptools. so if anyone has some constructive comments / advice I'd appreciate it. (I've also posted this in the maptool forums as well so hopefully between the two will get some good pointers) Thanks