I misunderstood the instructions in the wiki - I did't use attr_ , I thought that was meant for actual "attritutes", didnt realize every input had to have that prefix. thanks - it works in the roll20 but not the preview, so there were a few things going on I wasntreally concerned with calculating - I couldnt even get the second field to even *copy* the first field. Looks like what I need is a sheetworker, anyway - the second field only updates when i leave the first input field. I want the second field to update every time you adjust the spinner controls...