you have been more helpful in these few posts than the several days ive been exposed to the roll20 scene. tried to join one game (the only one so far, possibly my last), only to sit there for an hour, still trying to find a feature to let me roll up any kind of character, when dude chimes in with "you gotta join a game first to get a character" .......it took 3 days for that..shouldt take three days to find out access to characters is only within a launched game, and that the GM distributes them....how about a paragraph at the beginning stating something like that? no one was helpful, despite the tag stating new gamers welcome. thats ok, dont know those folks...its not required of them to not be an asshole to me. thats the way freedom works and im diggin' it, i have no desire to impinge upon their freedom to express themselves as assholes if thats what they want. still...im a smart/smart-ass guy and its really pissin me off that this thing is such a pain in the ass to acclimate to... no shit, it has so far been easier to learn all the parts to vivaldis 4 seasons arranged for metal guitar! what im trying to do is put all the movie grade high action adventure gaming originals my group and i have been doing for the past 35 years into action, and if its possible to get a handle on DMming thru this, throw down some dice and weave some stand out storytelling leaving players, years later, fondly remembering their capers nostalgicly as if they actually happened for real currently running tabletop oldschool ravenlofts 1 and 2 simultaneously(as per the option), but set in realworld 1883. players started in utah rolling up characters for what they still believe is a 'western'. been DMming for over 40 years (never get to play though)...i wanna get into this shit, just wish i didnt need to already possess a job in IT to use roll20 thanx again, didnt mean to impose or sound like a bitch.