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Using Pathfinder second edition compendium system with pathfinder by roll20 sheets

Hi all, 

I am starting a game (CotCT) with the Pathfinder system.

We were new to roll20 and were pushed to explore the online VTT by all too famous circumstances now. It has a lot of promise though and i am stoked.

I naturally used Pathfinder by roll20 character sheets when creating the game as this seemed the most appropriate to the game and what we had been playing for the last few years (including 3.5). I've put quite a bit of work into it already and finally begun to think that the compendium entry items were kind of scarce for this system, contrary to what I would have believed initially (it being a legacy system and what not).

Thus I have procured [the only] two compendium items using the Pathfinder second edition compendium system (gamemastery guide and advance players guide) so as to increase the sharable compendium item to what is already available with the pathfinder by roll20 sheet and default compendium system.

1) What will happen to my NPC, PC, etc if I change the compendium system in the game settings to now allow for pathfinder second edition to be allowed?

2) Will the newly added and allowed compendium items (path 2.0) now be the only available compendium items (pushing away those associated with the pathfinder (1.0) by roll20 sheet? Or will I have access to both the system compendium items?

2a) If both are accessible, will they both be shared assuming I enable sharing with my players? 

and lastly,

3) will it be possible to drag and drop from the 2.0 items onto the 1.0 sheet?

Thanks a lot all,

Nick

April 22 (4 years ago)
Kraynic
Pro
Sheet Author

I would say just create a game to test 2.  If 2 works, then 2a will work like any other compendium sharing.  I doubt you can enable 2 systems at once, but I have never tried, so all you can do is try it to see.

1 and 3 will be a big problem though.  Your core stats may use the same attributes (by attribute, I am not meaning the label you read on the sheet, but the actual html designation for that specific value on the sheet), and possibly your stat modifiers will use the same attributes, but it is very likely that very little else will have the same attribute from one sheet to another.  This will result in several things:

1. All your character (npc or pc) will transfer over.  Any attributes from the old sheet that don't match up to an attribute on the new sheet will not be visible on the sheet.  Those that are in repeating sections won't be accessible at all except through custom macros that use attributes from the old sheet, and those that are not part of repeating sections will still be available by macro and can most likely be found on the Attributes & Abilities tab.

2.  Since the data from the old sheet is going to be carried over whether it is visible on the sheet or not, you will have a more "data heavy" sheet once you fill in all the info the new sheet needs to actually work.  This means all your sheets will be slower to open, and since there are multiple pc and npc sheets with "ghost" data, it may even impact overall game performance.

3. Compendium drag/drop relies on a lot of javascript sheetworkers to enter items on the sheet, and require the compendium data to be set up to be divided into the fields on the sheet for which it is designed in the way that the sheetworkers are written to handle the data.  Since you are changing sheets, it is likely that little to no content from 2E would drag/drop onto the 1E sheet for the reasons I mentioned in #1.  It is a different system with differrent mechanics, different things to track, different structures for some systems in the game (feats especially), etc. 


If you want to try this, go ahead.  However, you should never do anything major like this on your active game.  It costs you nothing to make a copy of your game and try things on the copy.  Then you will always have the original to go back to if your experimentation does nasty things to the copy.

Thanks a lot for the thorough answer Kraynic, much appreciated!

Indeed I will revert after having tested it out in a copied game, which is no doubt a very wise reflex I should have had!

A few thoughts on your points though, I think you might have misunderstood my intention (or, more probably, I mischaracterized them). 

I do not want to change the character sheet from pathfinder by roll20 to pathfinder second edition by roll20.

I want to change the compendium system (and keep the pathfinder_byroll20 character sheet).

I was hoping I would not lose the players handbook compendium material that comes bundled with choosing pathfinder by roll20 character sheet and adding those other compendium items that right now are bought but are not being made available in my game.

The way it is set up now with pathfinder by roll20 is that there is so much source material not available in drag and drop, everything must pretty much be entered by hand anyways. Since we are new to this, much of the sheet automation that would otherwise come bundled with a drag-and-drop item/feat/spell/etc is lost anyways from the fact that manually entered spells, feats and items (we're sheet-rookies remember) are just not up to snuff right now. Hence I didn't really care if the new compendium items (compatible with pathfinder second edition sheet only) would not interact perfectly with the sheet for a reason or another. At least it was giving my player and me a little leg up in importing stuff, knowing we would have to tweaked those dropped later. 

Nick

April 23 (4 years ago)
Kraynic
Pro
Sheet Author

I think you would find you would be needing to input things manually if you activate a compendium that doesn't match the sheet you are using.

I'm not sure how you and your players are going about manual input of things, but I tend to just copy/paste from d20pfsrd (mainly because I like navigating that site better than AoN).  If you haven't looked at it, there is a pretty large article on that sheet on the wiki (and another specifically for the roll templates I think).

April 24 (4 years ago)
Scott C.
Forum Champion
Sheet Author
API Scripter
Compendium Curator

Yep, unfortunately, compendiums only work for drag and drop with sheets that have been designed for that compendium. The PF2 compendium only works with the PF2 sheet by Roll20. The PF1 compendium only works with the PF sheet by Roll20 (and to a limited degree with the PF community sheet).