lost the better part of the day chasing this rabbit already. nothing accomplished towards game. As long as the tabletop ' works' more or less, I'll just rely less on Roll20 and more on Discord. The voice and video have never worked well. I gave up on them several years ago and started using discord. At least I'm sure it is at my end somewhere (presuming that others aren't having the same issues ) I sure miss the days of yore, with a wood pencil, a notebook, one set of dice, and a shared rulebook. As a free level user I can't get too bent out of shape about it, but if I could afford to subscribe it would make me think twice about it for sure. $ is short and hard to come by, and I would expect anything I pay for, especially in a recurring fee subscription, to simply work right all the time every time. Thank you sincerely for your assistance, it has been very much appreciated. I will continue to tinker with it (as I'm not very good at letting go of little things) and if I do find my solution I'll post it up for anyone else who may have similar issues. Great community here. Nice to type with real humans and not be shunted around an automated system. GOOD GAMING, clear skies and far travels to everyone who tried to help, good on ya! TTFN.