Mass of un-deleted tokens revealed by token bar updated.

My guess is it's not directly caused by the update but is an issue raised by it. We're a long running campaign that have had people come and go. So maybe, these are tokens that belonged to characters that have since been deleted or moved into an archive sometime in the past. The image is likely gone as well. This wouldn't usually be a problem. I've done a drag and select to delete invisible tokens like this in the past. But we can't select them to delete them now. They aren't on any layer as far as I can tell, though I can find their nodes in the dom. Checking "Hover to show token nameplate and bar overlay" does hide the bars, but keeping that on all the time when it's not a user's preference doesn't seem ideal. Server ID : 1112177

We've found a character two who lost their default token. Trying to drop the token results in us unable to delete the bars that appear. Setting the default token's image allows us to drop the token again. But, we still have the problem of not being able to delete the bugged tokens already on the mat.

Are they on the GM layer? If that is the case, please hit Shift+F5 to do a hard refresh. Hopefully that clears the problem.  If not, please let me know and we can troubleshoot further.

Gauss said: Are they on the GM layer? If that is the case, please hit Shift+F5 to do a hard refresh. Hopefully that clears the problem.  If not, please let me know and we can troubleshoot further. They are not. I've checked GM, Object, Lighting, and Map layer.

Confirmed that you can reproduce the issue by dropping tokens that have lost their image. Character ID : -MQJZjTkeNOzzSzb8AVM Is one such example. If you try to drop the token, it'll drop but then you're unable to delete it afterwards.

And to clarify what was said earlier, I'm fairly certain these are all on the object layer. We just can't select them since they do not have an image.

My guess, sometime in the past the images were deleted from these tokens?  Old behavior would be that the tokens wouldn't properly load. New behavior might be that they load but are not selectable.  Can you please send me an invite (in private message) so I can come take a look?    

Gauss said: My guess, sometime in the past the images were deleted from these tokens?  Old behavior would be that the tokens wouldn't properly load. New behavior might be that they load but are not selectable.  Can you please send me an invite (in private message) so I can come take a look?     Heh, that's what I said in the first post "So maybe, these are tokens that belonged to characters that have since been deleted or moved into an archive sometime in the past." But sure, I can send you an invite.

missionz3r0 said: Gauss said: My guess, sometime in the past the images were deleted from these tokens?  Old behavior would be that the tokens wouldn't properly load. New behavior might be that they load but are not selectable.  Can you please send me an invite (in private message) so I can come take a look?     Heh, that's what I said in the first post "So maybe, these are tokens that belonged to characters that have since been deleted or moved into an archive sometime in the past." But sure, I can send you an invite. Sorry, busy last couple hours. :)

There has been an issue in the past with what I call Phantom Tokens. They can be seen by mod scripts but not interacted with by the user. I wonder if this update is revealing those? Can they not be selected in any way, even by dragging a selection rectangle around them?

Heheh, I bet. Looking through the forum I see that this has caused or revealed several problems that y'all are having to triage. This isn't causing things to completely break thankfully, just annoying.

keithcurtis said: There has been an issue in the past with what I call Phantom Tokens. They can be seen by mod scripts but not interacted with by the user. I wonder if this update is revealing those? Can they not be selected in any way, even by dragging a selection rectangle around them? That's precisely what's happening here. I can hover over them to get the typical "click" icon. But can't touch them at all. In the past a click and drag would select them and I could delete them. But I can't do that this time around.

If they are phantom tokens, this would require a dev to destroy. I'd suggest filing a  Help Center Request  and get in line early... :)

keithcurtis said: If they are phantom tokens, this would require a dev to destroy. I'd suggest filing a  Help Center Request  and get in line early... :) Honestly, this problem is so prevalent that it'd probably take a more global solution to fix it. Every server we use as part of our game has the same issue.

I'm glad I'm finding someone else having this issue. While mine isn't as massive, I'm having a fair few pop up on older maps. Rough timing too, I have the finale to my campaign this Saturday and it's a scattered mess with seeing older tokens re-appear and not being selectable.

I fixed it pretty easily by moving all my 'good' tokens to the GM layer, duplicating the page with the 'Objects & Tokens' box unchecked, then moving the good tokens back on the new page. Could be a big hassle for folks with more complicated pages, though.

Ben said: I'm glad I'm finding someone else having this issue. While mine isn't as massive, I'm having a fair few pop up on older maps. Rough timing too, I have the finale to my campaign this Saturday and it's a scattered mess with seeing older tokens re-appear and not being selectable. If you need assistance rectifying your game please PM me an invite to your game, I can come take a look.  Note: generally it is about as easy as SethInABlender says, although some pages might be a bit more complicated.