Starfinder Second Edition Integrated sheets (Maybe?)

So, I have noticed that Roll20 never really touched Starfinder's integrated sheets for like.  I'm going to say about 3 plus years (evident via them being broken now and the subject being untouched in all related forums for that long).  Which was fine because my game went on hiatus for that long, but the game approached a point where the fantasy was mixing with sci-fi, so we were trying to combine pathfinder and starfinder before they were really even very similar games. That aside, it has come to my attention that Starfinder 2nd Edition is dropping on May the 7th.  I can forgive the site updating so much that it pretty much broke the untouched starfinder sheets, but I have to know, will Roll20 be planning to integrate with Starfinder 2nd edition sheets?   I should bring it to everyone's attention that the playtest for Starfinder 2nd Edition is already out, and Roll20 does have functioning integrated sheets with Pathfinder 2nd Edition already. I should also mention that Starfinder 2e is being fully reworked and totally designed to function seamlessly in tandem with Pathfinder 2e because they use the same system.  In fact, I believe it was said several times that 2e for both games' main intention was to make it to where they were fully compatible.  I do not think it would be difficult to implement this given present information and the fact that almost completely compatible sheets are already in place, but every thread related to Starfinder hasn't been touched in 3 or more years, so I am bringing it back to everyone's attention now that 2e is being playtested and near release! Am I going to have to leave my game on hiatus or go manual here?  I would really like to know as I have been faithful to Roll20 for many years as a canvas for my campaigns.  If I have to, I guess I could just use the 2nd edition pathfinder ones, but... really, I would love some feedback.

Hi Bunnimaru,  You may want to check out Demiplane , a Roll20 sub-company. They are currently in Alpha testing on the integration of Demiplane's Starfinder 2e sheet into Roll20. Soon other Demiplane sheets, such as the Pathfinder 2e sheet will also be integrated.  What is more, there is (or will be) reciprocity between Roll20 and Demiplane accounts, and between Roll20 and Demiplane owned content.  Here is the release information regarding this.

Oh wow, yes thank you , I will check that out post-haste!  I appreciate the info!

So will I have to purchase products off of Demiplane to have a Starfinder 2e sheet?

Dax Thura said: So will I have to purchase products off of Demiplane to have a Starfinder 2e sheet? Yes, you will want to link your Roll20 account with Demiplane. Because you have a paid account on Roll20 that will give you a paid account on Demiplane. It will also link all content you own on Roll20 with content on Demiplane if it has it. It will also link all content on Demiplane with Roll20 if Roll20 has it.  Then, yes, if you want the Demiplane Starfinder sheet you will want to buy any required materials there. The sheet will be available in Roll20. 

I mean, if I don't want the Demiplane sheet, will there be another one that I can use?

There does not appear to be any other Starfinder 2e sheets on Roll20.  Roll20 did have a "by Roll20" Starfinder 2e sheet, but they sunset it with the introduction of Demiplane's version.  Your next best bet would be to use one of the two Starfinder 1e sheets if they are compatible enough. 

For the time I'm still using roll20, I guess I'll use the PF 2E sheet for SF 2E characters. 

Does the Demiplane integration allows going manual on Roll20? What I saw from the playtest is that you have to own everything in your demiplane account to be able to make a full set character, you can't copy elements manually. As DM i'm used to get the rulebooks, but the players won't buy all of them and certainly not twice to have them on demiplane...

Apart from the Core or Base rules, you must have purchased it on Demiplane to have access to it on Demiplane/Roll20.

Not being able to use homebrew or third party is pretty frustrating for someone that had a huge amount of that in an ongoing game that's converting over for the purpose of fusing it with pathfinder.  So far it's only possible to have R20 sheets if you use demiplane, which not only hardwalls you out of anything you haven't purchased, it only allows present core rules and has no manually adjustable fields, so third party anything is actually impossible.  That is so incredibly annoying that I am tempted to just use the pathfinder 2e sheets for it, since they have integrated sheets and Demiplane is optional.  Are we really not going to get the option to forego that like you can with Pathfinder 2e?  It's not that I don't want to pay money or use Demiplane, it's just that it really doesn't work for my campaign because of many pre-existing third party stuff (which I already have to manually convert).

The Pathfinder sheets are good except for two things 1: You have to add Computers and Piloting as "Lore" skills 2: The weapons assume they do physical damage. You can add them under the Attributes and Abilities section as macros.

You can add optionnal values in your PF2 r20 sheet. I found interesting to add a Vitality Network, and battery/charge values, since it's more of a problem than PF2. Still, a blank manually fillable SF2 sheet should be mandatory, should it be on Roll20 or demiplane...

Just tried to create a starfinder 2e game, got most the way through adding all the handouts and player content and found all of my players are paywalled from using Demiplane. All of the custom homebrew stuff I wrote for them can't be used. The entire "character sheet" option we've been used to with SF1e, PF, PF2e is gone, it's now a paid service with a third party to be locked into the content each user buys from Demiplane?  This is so incredibly frustrating. We all already pay for Roll20, and have happily for years. Now we have no choice but to stop using one of the core features that brought us to the platform - easy character creation and tracking in the platform. I  really  hope Roll20 fixes this and allows basic character sheets like we have for all other Paizo content. This is BS

Yeah, and it's kind of worse when you consider that, eventually, Paizo is going to make this content free on Archives of Nethys or something similar.  The DM paying is one thing, but the players?  That's really messed up.  And without the ability to manually adjust fields.... like.  If you really want to pay extra money for a sometimes necessary ability or statistic, while being limited to only a set of certain selections, and playing in a pre-written module, why even bother with tabletop at that point?  Just play a regular video game, a lot of them are like that nowadays, especially the extra charges.  Demiplane can exist and do what it wants, but I don't feel like it should be REQUIRED.  Me and my players waited more than 4 years for 2e Starfinder so we could more seamlessly integrate sci-fi and fantasy, as intended by Paizo.  But then it got completely focused on for the Demiplane thing, and now there is just a wall.  I wish it wasn't a PAYwall.  But it also mechanically cannot even work, either, not unless we scrapped a VERY LONG RUNNING campaign and started over.   I agree that it's BS.  Having basic sheets like the Pathfinder 2e ones would not be difficult considering they intentionally made them mechanically the same.  It would only support Roll20, and it would only support Paizo.   This is getting out of hand to the point it's beginning to remind me of the debacle where WoTC tried to monopolize tabletops as a whole.   And honestly? It wouldn't surprise me if it triggered the same kind of reaction in the community.