Looking for GM and players who don't suck.

My friend Nor and I are looking for a decent campaign on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday that is at least half way decent. We have crawled through the muck pile that is the looking for group tool and everything is either full or has no effort put into it. We are simply trying to find a group or join a group that has some effort put into it. We play 3.5e mostly but I'm sure we could learn a system some what close to it. We enjoy the story aspect and RP in D&D over combat but everyone loves some combat once in a while too.

When I say looking for effort we would like tokens without the backgrounds and maps that are not drawn in ms paint. Dynamic lighting is cool too.

. . . i just dont know what to say to this... perhaps start your own group? there are 869874368573 people looking to play and about 5 DM's good luck... EDIT: i take back my ". . . good luck..." comment. for the following reasons the last 3 weeks of trying to find a group ( i was invited 7 groups) have ended with me either walking away facepalming, or raging a the DM for playing "D&D:DM vs PC's" 3 of these "parties" The DM had ZERO rule knowledge .. he asked us how long a combat round was after the sorc put his 18 hp bats to sleep. two DM's strait up told the party they had to do the quest the mayor/duke/lord/douche gave out because, get this... "I Said so k thx" several of these groups i joined had maps whose "squares" had two sides longer than the others... no dynamic lighting, and the monsters had tokens that looked like variations of the pedobear or random anime faces stretched out and impossible to tell their origins. i have found that these last two week, only 1 DM of the 7 had put any effort into it what so ever... almost like everyone else thought "well i didnt get a group, i know ill make my own and pew pew PC's with my uber bats and hawks that have pack tactix" i am SO very sorry for insulting you for the way you asked for some "production Quality". .. personally i would like to be able to report shit DM's and or atleast Rate them, so new players dont get put into their games and think "so this is what TTRPG's are.. meh no thanks"

Iskoaya said: . . . i just dont know what to say to this... perhaps start your own group? there are 869874368573 people looking to play and about 5 DM's good luck... If you would actually look at my profile you would notice that I am currently a DM of like 7 campaigns. Granted 3 of these are inactive that still leaves 4 campaigns that I host on a weekly basis. You shouldn't bash on people for looking for a group in the looking for group forums.

I love that you're saying you enjoy the story aspect and then define quality as "having production values in maps and tokens." You may get a better response if you don't bash most of the games on LFG and then post "don't bash me bro"

Yeah man I gotta be honest, that's just being very hypocritical. Why must you be hating on them? Where's the love?

Ariana Grande said: I love that you're saying you enjoy the story aspect and then define quality as "having production values in maps and tokens." You may get a better response if you don't bash most of the games on LFG and then post "don't bash me bro" I don't think you guys understand when i am asking for quality in games and in maps and tokens. I get on roll20 for the reaosn of it allows the use of decent quality tokens as well as cool features for mentors and supporters such as dynamic lighting and API scripts. I would like to be in a campaign where this kind of quality is available not some poorly constructed last minute zero effort map with tokens with white backgrounds pulled off google. However I also want a story that has depth to it. I don't want to join a campaign and start off in a town for no reason doing some quest with little to no importance to me for some random Duke or other individual with a rank and a title. I would like a story with lore and back story to it. I do DM my own campaigns. Several of them. I use dynamic lighting to add dynamics to combat and RP. I use API scripts such as calendars and other features to add immersion and more RP to my games. I also use custom made tokens as well as tokens bought off the roll20 marketplace to further increase immersion and player enjoyment. Not only this but I spend hours a week on all my campaigns selecting music that adds mood and depth to my work as well as making for an enjoyable experience for all. I am simply looking for a DM who puts close to or at least SOME effort into their campaigns like I do.

Ahh, see, when you word it like that it sounds a lot more lucid and reasonable, I wish you the best of luck!

I don't know man maybe you would get into more games if you just lowered your expectations a little and learn that everyone has different styles of running a game. Just a theory. You're chances of getting into the games you want would raise 10 fold if you give them a chance instead of blowing them off when they don't put the same amount of effort into their games as you do. Cause, well, their not you.

Awkward Master said: I don't know man maybe you would get into more games if you just lowered your expectations a little and learn that everyone has different styles of running a game. Just a theory. You're chances of getting into the games you want would raise 10 fold if you give them a chance instead of blowing them off when they don't put the same amount of effort into their games as you do. Cause, well, their not you. That's why I am here making this post. I am looking for someone who would be able to make a campaign or who has a campaign with this effort put in.

Awkward Master said: I don't know man maybe you would get into more games if you just lowered your expectations a little and learn that everyone has different styles of running a game. Just a theory. You're chances of getting into the games you want would raise 10 fold if you give them a chance instead of blowing them off when they don't put the same amount of effort into their games as you do. Cause, well, their not you. If I just wanted to join a campaign I would just go to the LFG tool and apply for one of the many on Sunday - Tuesday.

If you really want someone who DM's like the way you described you're probably better off either paying someone who DM's for other people or go seek out other mentors who are running games cause more than likely, since they're shelling out money to uses the added features of this site like you do, they'll more than likely have that in their games and put more time and effort to them.

Awkward Master said: If you really want someone who DM's like the way you described you're probably better off either paying someone who DM's for other people or go seek out other mentors who are running games cause more than likely, since they're shelling out money to uses the added features of this site like you do, they'll more than likely have that in their games and put more time and effort to them. It sounds to me like this is EXACTLY what he is asking for, for other mentors/supporters to step forward if they have space in their campaigns so that he can have a quality campaign to his standards. Maps, tokens, story are all important and while mentor/supporters aren't the only ones able to deliver I too can attest to the cesspool of campaigns at times an it isn't fun to spend hours picking through them all to find maybe one or two that might work. Hence the LFG forums so how about you stop flaming this poor man and let him get on to serious applications.

Try this post I have not played with this GM but from what I read. He is willing to tailor the campaign to whatever you like. <a href="https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20366/the-howling-wilds" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20366/the-howling-wilds</a>

Al B. said: Try this post I have not played with this GM but from what I read. He is willing to tailor the campaign to whatever you like. <a href="https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20366/the-howling-wilds" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20366/the-howling-wilds</a> Thanks man, I'll look into this.

Sounds about like the amount of work I put into a campaign. Unfortunately, I'm extremely busy and I'm already elbow deep in a local game.

Aright I was not sure if this was a troll thread or not but I do not believe that you deserve the flaming you got. I agree that there are quite a few game that I find very boring and even bad out there but I do not believe that the quality of a game is in the maps or the tokens. I have like you spent hours a week preparing for a single game just to make it look amazing but due to work I do not have that time anymore. What I will never budge on is the quality of the story. So while I am not an graphical artist so I can't make you amazing maps or tokens, I do put effort into finding things to make the game a little more visually appealing and I do care that the story is good. For me quality is about the Gm working with the players to create a good experience for everyone, make sure that everyone in the group has a place and not just a role in the group that she has to fill. There are few things that will make players leave quicker then when they feel redundant due to someone else being able to do anything they can but better or only being able to one specific thing that they do not like. I believe that its the GM's responsibility to engage the players so that they got things to do and make sure there are plothooks and leads to follow. At times the Gm might have to be a douche to be fair. But you have not said what timezone you are in or what times would work for you. I for one would not mind running a game, while I would not run a D&D game due to my issues with the system I am more then willing to run something else for you and make sure that the campaign is something that you and the rest of the players are interested in and want to play in. And just a small note saying that people who do not play like you do "suck" is not the best way to make people interested in you in a positive way. While I hate railroading and dungeon crawls they are not wrong or bad ways to game master they are just not for me, so my only suggestion if you ever chose to make another thread like this is to be a little more humble rather then saying things that some might interpret as you saying that you are better then everyone else. This is not meant to be harsh but after administering a roleplaying forum for quite a while I have seen this type of threads quite often and while I do not think its your intention to come of as trying to make yourself seem superior to everyone else some might interpret it that way.

Erzrig said: Aright I was not sure if this was a troll thread or not but I do not believe that you deserve the flaming you got. I agree that there are quite a few game that I find very boring and even bad out there but I do not believe that the quality of a game is in the maps or the tokens. I have like you spent hours a week preparing for a single game just to make it look amazing but due to work I do not have that time anymore. What I will never budge on is the quality of the story. So while I am not an graphical artist so I can't make you amazing maps or tokens, I do put effort into finding things to make the game a little more visually appealing and I do care that the story is good. For me quality is about the Gm working with the players to create a good experience for everyone, make sure that everyone in the group has a place and not just a role in the group that she has to fill. There are few things that will make players leave quicker then when they feel redundant due to someone else being able to do anything they can but better or only being able to one specific thing that they do not like. I believe that its the GM's responsibility to engage the players so that they got things to do and make sure there are plothooks and leads to follow. At times the Gm might have to be a douche to be fair. But you have not said what timezone you are in or what times would work for you. I for one would not mind running a game, while I would not run a D&D game due to my issues with the system I am more then willing to run something else for you and make sure that the campaign is something that you and the rest of the players are interested in and want to play in. And just a small note saying that people who do not play like you do "suck" is not the best way to make people interested in you in a positive way. While I hate railroading and dungeon crawls they are not wrong or bad ways to game master they are just not for me, so my only suggestion if you ever chose to make another thread like this is to be a little more humble rather then saying things that some might interpret as you saying that you are better then everyone else. This is not meant to be harsh but after administering a roleplaying forum for quite a while I have seen this type of threads quite often and while I do not think its your intention to come of as trying to make yourself seem superior to everyone else some might interpret it that way. Everything you said seems very valid. Although suck might of been a strong term and some here seemed to have taken it as a personal attack I didn't mean for it to be that way. Everyone on here I am sure has had the same experience. They look for hours for what looks like a decent game. They then go on to make a character sheet and back story that works. After those several hours are complete they then have to wait to play with all this work that they have done. Finally getting in to realize that a DM has put no effort in. It is annoying and I was simply getting tired of it.

I am very familiar with what you say, and it happens. The best thing about Roll20 is also the worst thing about it. Its really easy to find people to RP with. I have spent many hours making characters for GM's that have not put in any effort but to be honest thats life, that has happened IRL to me as well when I started playing with a new GM. But as I said, I would be more then willing to RP for you if you are interested. I will not do D&D since I got issues with the system but I got many ideas and suggestions. What timezone are you in?

Erzrig said: I am very familiar with what you say, and it happens. The best thing about Roll20 is also the worst thing about it. Its really easy to find people to RP with. I have spent many hours making characters for GM's that have not put in any effort but to be honest thats life, that has happened IRL to me as well when I started playing with a new GM. But as I said, I would be more then willing to RP for you if you are interested. I will not do D&D since I got issues with the system but I got many ideas and suggestions. What timezone are you in? I am in MST however because of my current living situation and school schedule any time at all works for me.

Church said: I am in MST however because of my current living situation and school schedule any time at all works for me. Hmm that might be a issue for me since I am in GMT+1. So you are 8 hours behind me.

Erzrig said: Church said: I am in MST however because of my current living situation and school schedule any time at all works for me. Hmm that might be a issue for me since I am in GMT+1. So you are 8 hours behind me. That isn't terrible.

I agree it can be very frustrating when looking for a game and you just don't seem to get what you want, my advice, keep looking. It took me quite a while to find a group that is quite frankly, the best gaming group i have ever met. Timezones can also be an issue.. what I suggest is be hard in your searching... while the game might be for you, the timezone may cause issues, you cant beet sitting down to play at a time you WANT to, not getting up in the middle of the night etc.. at some point your not going to be able to make it for a whole host of reasons. We set up a GMT/GMT+1 group because of this and we were very selective in who who invite to our general skype chat. The key thing when setting up a group is insisting on communication, let's say that again, COMMUNICATION, we all know real life and family comes first, and comms is the key, or people basically get pissed off and think they're wasting their time. IF im GMing and i just dont feel like running something that week, i will say so, people appreciate honesty and we slot something else in. GM wise, yes there are more players than GMs we are lucky in that myself and 2 other GMS have about 4 campaigns going on over weekends on a rotation.. we don't play weekdays because we work, be insistent on when your going to play your games. Basically, keep looking, if you don't find what you are looking for, start your own group.

Hey Church ! Just remember you catch more flies with honey! You might consider editing or deleting this post and starting a new thread that better explains what you are looking for. :) If this thread does remain open, let's make sure to keep it on topic!

[M]Avacyn said: Hey Church ! Just remember you catch more flies with honey! You might consider editing or deleting this post and starting a new thread that better explains what you are looking for. :) If this thread does remain open, let's make sure to keep it on topic! Wow a dev response in the LFG forums. -Tips Fedora- We actually talked about this exact idea and after I get into further contact with one of them I believe I will remove this post. Thanks [M]Avacyn.

I kinda understand what you mean, i cringe when pic used for token is not width=height so it get stretched... or something.

Church said: Ariana Grande said: I love that you're saying you enjoy the story aspect and then define quality as "having production values in maps and tokens." You may get a better response if you don't bash most of the games on LFG and then post "don't bash me bro" I don't think you guys understand when i am asking for quality in games and in maps and tokens. I get on roll20 for the reaosn of it allows the use of decent quality tokens as well as cool features for mentors and supporters such as dynamic lighting and API scripts. I would like to be in a campaign where this kind of quality is available not some poorly constructed last minute zero effort map with tokens with white backgrounds pulled off google. However I also want a story that has depth to it. I don't want to join a campaign and start off in a town for no reason doing some quest with little to no importance to me for some random Duke or other individual with a rank and a title. I would like a story with lore and back story to it. I do DM my own campaigns. Several of them. I use dynamic lighting to add dynamics to combat and RP. I use API scripts such as calendars and other features to add immersion and more RP to my games. I also use custom made tokens as well as tokens bought off the roll20 marketplace to further increase immersion and player enjoyment. Not only this but I spend hours a week on all my campaigns selecting music that adds mood and depth to my work as well as making for an enjoyable experience for all. I am simply looking for a DM who puts close to or at least SOME effort into their campaigns like I do. i take back my ". . . i just dont know what to say to this... perhaps start your own group? there are 869874368573 people looking to play and about 5 DM's.... good luck..." comment. the last 3 weeks of trying to find a group ( i was invited 7 groups) have ended with me either walking away facepalming, or raging a the DM for playing "D&D:DM vs PC's" 3 of these "parties" The DM had ZERO rule knowledge .. he asked us how long a combat round was after the sorc put his 18 hp bats to sleep. two DM's strait up told the party they had to do the quest the mayor/duke/lord/douche gave out because, get this... "I Said so k thx" several of these groups i joined had maps whose "squares" had two sides longer than the others... no dynamic lighting, and the monsters had tokens that looked like variations of the pedobear or random anime faces stretched out and impossible to tell their origins. i have found that these last two week, only 1 DM of the 7 had put any effort into it what so ever... almost like everyone else thought "well i didnt get a group, i know ill make my own and pew pew PC's with my uber bats and hawks that have pack tactix" i am SO very sorry for insulting you for the way you asked for some "production Quality"... personally i would like to be able to report shit DM's and or atleast Rate them, so new players dont get put into their games and think "so this is what TTRPG's are.. meh no thanks"

Have you played in one of my games, I wonder how you'd rate me?

I rate Ajax 11 out of 10. He would actually be perfect for you. As opposed to my DM style, because I dont much care about tokens and maps and use them as vague reference points. I'm more of a smokey back-room type of story teller. But that being said, there is nothing wrong with knowing what you want. I would say that saying other people "suck" because their style might be different is a little off-putting. But I feel your pain, I have written pages of backstory only to find out my fellow party memebers only wish to be murder hobos or there is a forced railroad and I am just a character in a pre-written story.

i can honestly say a DM sucks ass when they play DM vs PC's... or when they dont even know the basics of the basics of whatever game system they are using "how long is a combat round, my bats wake up anyway because i say so, they hit.. wait sec gota reroll dice it was an 8... k 15 yup it hits you".... the whole group busted him rerolling dice, after being suspicious when a hawk suddenly went from having 1 max hp to having 13 AND pack tactics..

DM's sucking is all subjective. If you enjoy the game, it's a good DM to you. If you don't, that DM sucks to you. Who knows, maybe some people like DM's who fudge dice for no reason and don't know the rules.

Randy L. said: I rate Ajax 11 out of 10. He would actually be perfect for you. As opposed to my DM style, because I dont much care about tokens and maps and use them as vague reference points. I'm more of a smokey back-room type of story teller. But that being said, there is nothing wrong with knowing what you want. I would say that saying other people "suck" because their style might be different is a little off-putting. But I feel your pain, I have written pages of backstory only to find out my fellow party memebers only wish to be murder hobos or there is a forced railroad and I am just a character in a pre-written story. but you DO prep monster stat blocks, encounters, story lines, ect... you dont wing it from the starting line right? i gives a poop what the map looks like as long as the squares are squares, tokens look and represent what the monster or npc is regardless of quality,and not just a pedobear pic for the lulz. you throw a banshee at the party, and when it takes lethal damage say "But, that hit actually missed and then the banshee crits you. because hey, its my party and ill TKP you if i want too" kinda DM right? Shawn N. said: DM's sucking is all subjective. If you enjoy the game, it's a good DM to you. If you don't, that DM sucks to you. Who knows, maybe some people like DM's who fudge dice for no reason and don't know the rules. &lt;Censored&gt; on skype wants players if that really is the kind of DM people look for... here is his game <a href="https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20522/schley-stack" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20522/schley-stack</a> just for giggles i saw that hes asking to alternate DM's lol &lt;PS his skype name is in this forum too sooo yeah&gt; <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1515450/info-thread-ask-questions-no-applications-and/#post-1560188" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1515450/info-thread-ask-questions-no-applications-and/#post-1560188</a>

100% joining.

Shawn N. said: 100% joining. enjoy the giggles, and dont forget the hax macros with [[ 1d0 + ?{Dice Roll|16} + @{selected|pb} + @{selected|dexterity_mod} ]]

on another note, i think i am going to make another account, and offer to DM for him, by the time the other members level to 3 he will have had to reroll 4-5 new characters.

Iskoaya said: Randy L. said: I rate Ajax 11 out of 10. He would actually be perfect for you. As opposed to my DM style, because I dont much care about tokens and maps and use them as vague reference points. I'm more of a smokey back-room type of story teller. But that being said, there is nothing wrong with knowing what you want. I would say that saying other people "suck" because their style might be different is a little off-putting. But I feel your pain, I have written pages of backstory only to find out my fellow party memebers only wish to be murder hobos or there is a forced railroad and I am just a character in a pre-written story. but you DO prep monster stat blocks, encounters, story lines, ect... you dont wing it from the starting line right? i gives a poop what the map looks like as long as the squares are squares, tokens look and represent what the monster or npc is regardless of quality,and not just a pedobear pic for the lulz. you throw a banshee at the party, and when it takes lethal damage say "But, that hit actually missed and then the banshee crits you. because hey, its my party and ill TKP you if i want too" kinda DM right? Shawn N. said: DM's sucking is all subjective. If you enjoy the game, it's a good DM to you. If you don't, that DM sucks to you. Who knows, maybe some people like DM's who fudge dice for no reason and don't know the rules. bprabhnoor on skype wants players if that really is the kind of DM people look for... here is his game <a href="https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20522/schley-stack" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/20522/schley-stack</a> just for giggles i saw that hes asking to alternate DM's lol <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1515450/info-thread-ask-questions-no-applications-and/#post-1560188" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/1515450/info-thread-ask-questions-no-applications-and/#post-1560188</a> Of course I prepare for my campaigns. I just invoke a theater of the mind type of experience when at all possible. To each their own! And no, I do not ever go into a situation with it being my goal to TPK my party, that is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion.

The mod [M]Avacyn posted earlier in this thread, and she asked nicely "let's make sure to keep it on topic!" I believe she means this thread is for people who want to respond to Church, the original poster, on the subject of playing in the game that Church describes. Some of the other posts in this thread appear to be going too far (like posting someone else's skype name, please edit that out).

topic is bad DM's and campaigns with no effort put into them, and players looking for good DM's that prep.... and know the rules. at first i was "Church your a &lt;bad word here&gt;, gluck finding some one willing to take you..." a few weeks later, im giving an apology, because he was right, LFG is.. bad, with DM's like the ones i gave as examples.. still on topic.

Well, no, because the topic here is meant to be Looking For Group: Church looking for people to play D&D 3.5 or similar on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday (with a good DM who puts in prep). Iskoaya , it's noticeable you have been navigating around the Forums posting several attacks on a previous DM you played with recently. Please take a rest from that. When you have a minute, take another look at this, <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/125912/roll20-co" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/125912/roll20-co</a>..

Randy L. said: Of course I prepare for my campaigns. I just invoke a theater of the mind type of experience when at all possible. To each their own! And no, I do not ever go into a situation with it being my goal to TPK my party, that is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion. where have you been these last few weeks?

This thread has gone on long enough and it is slipping into negative attitude with various posts so this thread will now be closed and moved to off-topic forum.