[Rant] Immature Gamer Looking for group

Hi I am, damn how old am I. 30 something and looking for a DM willing to let me be a total ass in his campaign. I will attack other PCs seemingly at random and as often as possible simply not respond when asked a direct question. Is it just me or do gamers who feel the need to tell us GMs that they are mature as often as not, not even know what the word means. (Age has very little to do with actual maturity level.) Anyhow just wanted to rant and this seemed like the place to do it. To be honest I do expect more out of a person who calls themselves mature but the rate at which "mature" gamers fail at even coming close is not explained away by this. Suggestion to those who would like a "mature" game don't bother with that word. The immature have hijacked it. Better to explain what you would like a general game to be like. I think this better explains to the GMs looking for players whether or not you would fit in their campaign. One last time I am not saying all of you who use the word mature to describe yourself are immature but it is no help knowing whether or not you are indeed.

I recommend conducting a Session Zero prior to kicking off any campaign to make sure everyone is on the same page with regard to expectations - a dedicated session just to put everything out there. Something like how to handle PCs attacking other PCs (which a game like D&D doesn't support mechanically anyway) is important ground to cover. What level of input players are expected to make would also be something to go over as this can vary from game to game, group to group. If this is all out in the open in a discussion, players can opt to drop out or you can opt to drop them if you notice any "red flags." It's better to do this prior to actual play than have to drop someone midstream after a bad experience. At the same time, GMs: Make sure your game isn't terrible . I know, I know - to you, it's a priceless work of art, nothing needs changing, and it's all the players' fault every time . But if you keep running into the same problems with players, maybe the problem isn't them. Maybe it's you and you are creating or exacerbating the very issues you seek to avoid. Even a veteran like me has been tempted to go crazy in certain games because of the GM's approach. That doesn't make it right, but I for one find more fault with other GMs than I do with players. Do better, work harder at it, experiment, and be open to change. Even radical change if it makes the game experience better. Here are some helpful links to share with your groups. I know if any players that sign up for my games take issue with the advice therein, it's a red flag: 11 Ways to Be a Better Roleplayer 10 Ways to Be a Better Online Gamer Good luck!

NM I get your response but think you kind of missed the point. Thanks for the info though

And don't you love the ones telling you that their character would totally act like that. Duh...

BWO... I feel your pain. One of our house rules is that you WILL play your character according to alignment and there will be repercussions in-game for actions taken outside character. Want to act 100% opposite your history and alignmnet? Sure, go for it, but first re-calculate your character stats because you just dropped 2 levels.

I've personally had more success talking directly and politely to the player to address the issue rather than try to modify behavior with mechanics and in-game consequences. Anyway, that's not how alignment actually works. Your actions dictate your alignment, not the other way around.

I have to agree with HJ, if they were acting totally differently than their alignment and history implied or stated then it is best to speak with them to revise the history/background while changing their alignment as need be. No one knows the character better than their creator, that is just a fact, so how can you attempt to tell someone they are playing their character wrong. All you can do is provide them with context on the choices and work with them to either understand what those choices are or to select new ones that better suit their vision of the character.

Maybe you guys missed the point. Alignment blah whatever(I mean its important but in the end it is the Player not the Character . I am talking about mature behavior. Alignment of a Character has nothing to do with the way players behave. All I am bitching about is that people call themselves mature and fail to even understand how a mature person acts. Immaturity is part of your character fine. My point is and it was not even in a game i was GMing but that many people call themselves mature and then proceed to talk over other players ignore what the GM says and then do their own off the wall thing that has nothing to do with the situation the PCs have been placed. in. He was a "mature" gamer how do I know his add said so. I also believe many people don't understand what a rant is. I am not looking for advice on how to deal with it simply expressing frustration at the fact it does happen. Thus [Rant].

I think that unless u go directly to affect a player "OoC" there's no way to call a player immature. I've had players that go and try to kill the party for no reason (which in my point of view isn't immature, it just being an a Jerk) but sometimes it can give some juice to the Game, well... some games. Luckily for me i had players that told me how and why their characters would kill other Pc's, which is a thing to do only on Character. Example: If you're a Medic on a modern campaign, met the party and helped them on a few times, it doesn't have sense that suddenly the medic kill the lawyer on cold blood just because he didn't wanted to handle him a pen. An exception could be if before entering the game and *Previously telling the ST/DM/GM that the character can do something like that and explaining why* his character could lose control of himself under certain situation and act like a psycho, but if the character is an Assassin/Infiltrator... well, shit happens. So If the ST is aware of that could happen i guess it's ok. I got a Campaign where players have go killing each other since some members of the group misunderstood an action of another player and i got the kind of "Immature rant players" around, being killed 4 times already on the same campaign by other players, because of their stupid moves and those sessions are by far the more interesting and funnier i had with this group, full of suspense and heavy RP. Like always, everything is on the Role and Communication. If it' Roleplay i will always say Go Ahead

First I am pretty sure I clarified what i meant when i said player. Not the characters behavior the actual person in the real world talking into the microphone. I am pretty sure I can "judge"(god i love that word so much baggage) someone as immature. I am sure you don't live your life this way but I go out into the world every day and judge people by the things they say and the way they behave. This is how I decide whether or not I want to have more communications with you and of what nature that communication should be. It is quite possible I don't understand what you mean in your first sentence so if I am interpreting something incorrectly feel free to correct me Apokh. Please now this is an issue of semantics on how to define immature and other words we will call people.For instance i could say i don't think said player was being a jerk because i understand jerk to mean something you do to a rope or cord. What I am saying is I am sure you have an idea of what I mean when I say immature. Again I am almost positive you are off topic. If you do not understand what a rant is I can not help you. Again I did not post here to here for you tell me why killing PCs should be cool with me.I find the defensive tone of many of these post a little annoying, especially since that part of the story has so little to do with my overall point. Look I was not trying to directly offend any of you. If I did I did. I am not sorry for the comment only wanted to RANT" My point once again is saying the word does not make it so." Unless of course you are a wizard(which of course no "player" is). Thanks for the space to complain. I am sorry if you don't get what I am saying.

Ehmm.. im actually saying that i agreed with your post, im not defending anything or complaining, just opining based on the XP i had in such situations. I said that players killing players under certain circumstances is completely ok and funny. I guess you don't have to be so literal using words, there's a lot of words in different languages that people use to describe other things.. like Jerk, but if you don't understand what i meant i will exchange that word for Dumb-ass, asshole, idiot, etc. To end, if you don't like the defensive tone of many of these post and they're a little annoying, a good option is not to post or just ignore them, they only can be annoying if they affect your mind/world somehow and if they affect it it's because you choose to, i am sorry you didn't get what i said and after you reply think about the time you're going to lose because im not going to read/reply to this topic again. Cya and good luck.

whoa is i :)

Ah and this is the great thing about rants, they often generate conversation based on the topic of the rant which is always a good thing in my books. It shows that the topic you ranted about is one that people actually give a shit about. It is the rants that do not generate any conversation that fill me full of woe.

These posts are useful. Always handy when the real immature folks demask themselves with a timely rant. All the freedom of speech and none of the necessary cleaning up the morning after.

Apokh Ehmm.. im actually saying that i agreed with your post, im not defending anything or complaining, just opining based on the XP i had in such situations. I said that players killing players under certain circumstances is completely ok and funny. I guess you don't have to be so literal using words, there's a lot of words in different languages that people use to describe other things.. like Jerk, but if you don't understand what i meant i will exchange that word for Dumb-ass, asshole, idiot, etc. To end, if you don't like the defensive tone of many of these post and they're a little annoying, a good option is not to post or just ignore them, they only can be annoying if they affect your mind/world somehow and if they affect it it's because you choose to, i am sorry you didn't get what i said and after you reply think about the time you're going to lose because im not going to read/reply to this topic again. Cya and good luck. ...... ......I said that players killing players under certain circumstances....... If players are killing players, something is definitely wrong with your games

Hey Black Owl, remember that you have to state you are getting up on your soapbox first then you are to rant and such. This will allow more people to see and hear you in the crowd that is gathering around you. (this was meant as a joke. Explanation for those that might be humor impaired and would take my comment as something serious.) I've ran into immature players a few times here and a whole lot of times in other programs. I found there is only 3 things you can do. Talk to them Ignore them Kick them out of your game. I personally use 1 first then 3 to deal with them but to each their own. I also understand you are just venting your frustration and all but you do that here and you will get advice. It is just how most of us are wired.

This thread now reminds me of this clip: It's Not About the Nail .

Headhunter Jones said: This thread now reminds me of this clip: It's Not About the Nail Classic. And I wholeheartedly agree with your synopsis =) EDIT: sorry about the space-spam... I can't seem to just keep your comment as opposed to your comment and the video >.<

OP, people get it. Some of them are messing with you. Good luck.