Shin Megami Tensei

I'm wondering what system I should use for SMT and while I'm learning the new system(s), would any like to maybe give the idea a shot as a GM for it? I've been wanting to try it out as a player. 

I don't know SMT but I do know Persona.  I was considering Cortex Plus Dramatic (Smallville) for the school parts and either Leverage or marvel Heroic for the part in the Palaces.

Love the series but it's kinda hard to translate it in the RPG format because somebody needs to make a good char creation system that allows for deeper customization aka their traits,classes and whatnot plus the combat system needs to be dynamic so that encounters are fast and short. And don't forget skills.

I heard there is an actual TTRPG for SMT BUT its only in Japan and hasn't been fan-translated yet... I hate when the Japanese do this 

For SMT II, the environment is Cyberpunk so I'm thinking of trying SMT II with CP2020's system, but I'm wondering on how to calculate demons and such, any ideas?

Nope, never used CyberPunk 2020 also if they weren't paid for the translation or even payed then there is no logical reason for them to translate it. Try using shadowrun, there should be some supplements about unusual creatures/characters.

What about Fate, Apocalypse World, or Big Eyes Small Mouth? They are all generic which means they are flexible for any kind of game you want to run.

I can vouch for Big eyes small mouth I use it a lot. Only thing with it can be easily broken if you let players do what ever they want. So I would if you use it limit some powers by lvl of attribute such as super speed, land speed, and super strength for examples.

Azreal said: I'm wondering what system I should use for SMT and while I'm learning the new system(s), would any like to maybe give the idea a shot as a GM for it? I've been wanting to try it out as a player.  If you actually run the game I'm definitely interested in joining.

I will definitely update about how to the process of making this successful goes in this forum and when its ready, I will invite you RiderKick, and anyone else for that matter. I'll look into Big eyes small mouth, what dice system does that use? Also, possibly into Fate or Shadowrun as well just need to know like summaries of their dice systems and where to find rules on them quickly.

Azreal said: I will definitely update about how to the process of making this successful goes in this forum and when its ready, I will invite you RiderKick, and anyone else for that matter. I'll look into Big eyes small mouth, what dice system does that use? Also, possibly into Fate or Shadowrun as well just need to know like summaries of their dice systems and where to find rules on them quickly. I believe that BESM uses the tri stat system but there is a d20 system version

RiderKick said: Azreal said: I will definitely update about how to the process of making this successful goes in this forum and when its ready, I will invite you RiderKick, and anyone else for that matter. I'll look into Big eyes small mouth, what dice system does that use? Also, possibly into Fate or Shadowrun as well just need to know like summaries of their dice systems and where to find rules on them quickly. I believe that BESM uses the tri stat system but there is a d20 system version The point buy 3rd edd is way better than its d20 vrs of BESM.

Okay! I'll check it out!

So for BESM, which power level should I choose? Since this is SMT were talking about, I'm thinking maybe Heroic or Mythical, what do you think?  Since you are able to control demons with a COMP and are possibly able to use magic spells and communicate with demons and what not and fight demons or humans, I'm thinking Mythical is the best choice. 

My rule of thumb is when I run besm set power level low. but not too low just enough for players to fit there new roles and that's it. But you have to be the judge of what that is. You do this by what you will face them with constantly and story needed. If you start too high there op wipe the floor with everything and will make you scramble at last min with a new system you haven't gmed before with to give them a challenge.

I think I'd be interested in this depending on the time.

Yes because to actually make a capable char the player usually spends abouuuut....350-ish points.(reading it from the book) In 3rd edition the mythical is 300-499 points. Never used the system but i am interesed in learning it and trying it out...as long the time and date is ok.

I was looking at BESM  reviews and such and it has kind of a bad reputation compared to something like FATE or Apocalypse World.

Frosty689 said: Yes because to actually make a capable char the player usually spends abouuuut....350-ish points.(reading it from the book) In 3rd edition the mythical is 300-499 points. Never used the system but i am interesed in learning it and trying it out...as long the time and date is ok. There is nothing in book that says a player usually spends about 350 points. you can start at human all the way to Godlike depends what game is for there is no set quota. RiderKick said: I was looking at BESM  reviews and such and it has kind of a bad reputation compared to something like FATE or Apocalypse World. Besm is just as good as any other system people will like it people will hate it all depends where you look. bad reputation is a opinion on any pnp system. It just be better to say I would support FATE or Apocalypse Word. And leave it as that.

mizore shirayuki said: Frosty689 said: Yes because to actually make a capable char the player usually spends abouuuut....350-ish points.(reading it from the book) In 3rd edition the mythical is 300-499 points. Never used the system but i am interesed in learning it and trying it out...as long the time and date is ok. There is nothing in book that says a player usually spends about 350 points. you can start at human all the way to Godlike depends what game is for there is no set quota. RiderKick said: I was looking at BESM  reviews and such and it has kind of a bad reputation compared to something like FATE or Apocalypse World. Besm is just as good as any other system people will like it people will hate it all depends where you look. bad reputation is a opinion on any pnp system. It just be better to say I would support FATE or Apocalypse Word. And leave it as that. I have tried it a couple of times and it has never impressed me. So yeah I would prefer to play Fate or or Apocalypse World.

RiderKick said: mizore shirayuki said: Frosty689 said: Yes because to actually make a capable char the player usually spends abouuuut....350-ish points.(reading it from the book) In 3rd edition the mythical is 300-499 points. Never used the system but i am interesed in learning it and trying it out...as long the time and date is ok. There is nothing in book that says a player usually spends about 350 points. you can start at human all the way to Godlike depends what game is for there is no set quota. RiderKick said: I was looking at BESM  reviews and such and it has kind of a bad reputation compared to something like FATE or Apocalypse World. Besm is just as good as any other system people will like it people will hate it all depends where you look. bad reputation is a opinion on any pnp system. It just be better to say I would support FATE or Apocalypse Word. And leave it as that. I have tried it a couple of times and it has never impressed me. So yeah I would prefer to play Fate or or Apocalypse World. That's fine I can respect that I played it didn't like it, But doesn't make it a bad system though was my point. Just like I don't like D&D 4e or 5e. I prefer not to play them. But doesn't make it a bad systems. Theirs only one system I consider bad and it shall not be named because naming it gives it power. ;)

DnD 3.5?

lol no if you must know. F.A.T.A.L. Edit: I love 3/3.5 and Pathfinder for DnD that is my perfered systems for it.

mizore shirayuki said: RiderKick said: mizore shirayuki said: Frosty689 said: Yes because to actually make a capable char the player usually spends abouuuut....350-ish points.(reading it from the book) In 3rd edition the mythical is 300-499 points. Never used the system but i am interesed in learning it and trying it out...as long the time and date is ok. There is nothing in book that says a player usually spends about 350 points. you can start at human all the way to Godlike depends what game is for there is no set quota. RiderKick said: I was looking at BESM  reviews and such and it has kind of a bad reputation compared to something like FATE or Apocalypse World. Besm is just as good as any other system people will like it people will hate it all depends where you look. bad reputation is a opinion on any pnp system. It just be better to say I would support FATE or Apocalypse Word. And leave it as that. I have tried it a couple of times and it has never impressed me. So yeah I would prefer to play Fate or or Apocalypse World. That's fine I can respect that I played it didn't like it, But doesn't make it a bad system though was my point. Just like I don't like D&D 4e or 5e. I prefer not to play them. But doesn't make it a bad systems. Theirs only one system I consider bad and it shall not be named because naming it gives it power. ;) All I was saying was that I was reading reviews of BESM and most of them I saw had mixed to negative reviews. I didn't say I hate the system just that it didn't really impress me

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Relax. I'm looking at BESM and then I'll be looking at Fate and Apocalypse World

I'm going to be using Fate for this game, but I will need to look at Accelerated probably. Is there an available PDF online somewhere?  Also, I'll update everyone about the coming date if I do it! 

Azreal said: I'm going to be using Fate for this game, but I will need to look at Accelerated probably. Is there an available PDF online somewhere?&nbsp; Also, I'll update everyone about the coming date if I do it!&nbsp; There is a PDF you can get for fate accelerated at <a href="http://www.evilhat.com/home/fate-core-downloads/" rel="nofollow">http://www.evilhat.com/home/fate-core-downloads/</a>

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Thanks mate!

No problem

Mmmh... What's the tone of the campaign? Are you the choose one (wild card in personal 3-5, the Fiend in SMT Nocturne) or an unlucky desperate soul like in Personal 1/2 or Digital Devil Saga or SMT5. If you are playing it as an horror with high lethality, I suggest a system like Dread or CoC, if it's more about the story either Gumshoe or Hillfolk, or Cthuluh Dark, for pure action Savage Worlds, or 2d20, or the system from Shadow of the Demon Lord. If you want a thematic persona game, the Italian Sine Require that use Tarots as the main résolution mechanics.&nbsp; if you are just looking for a fast way, use the D20 modern and make the daemon/masks as artifacts or magic you need to set up every day (like a magic book or a prayer in DnD)

I am placing it in the first SMT game from SF (Super Famicom)

Hmmm i hope the chars can use either personas, demon forms or just being that demihuman from Nocturne.

Ok, assuming you don't know Japanese... Doing some research I found a japanese game that has been recently translated and might have the right favor. Your main problem is having a class that copies the power (demons) so that you can use them in battle and that's grim and ruthless enough to be a megaten game. Well, since City of Mist is not out yet, try&nbsp; Double Cross+ Inifite Code . A virus hit the world that gives people superhuman powers (Persona, Demon Summoners, etc) however, the more you use these power (for good) the more humanity and sanity you lose. The Double Cross supplements add the ability to "steal" powers. I was also looking for a game with a good talking/fighting resolution for handle the demon contracts (so there is an in depth &nbsp;and fun system to &nbsp;handle stuff). The setting is also close enough to give you the chance to run it with just minor changes.

Marco M. This is amazing!!! It could definitely work for SMT, just would require some teaks like you said, but nothing major. I'm going to try and buy this asap

Just bought the PDF on Drivethrurpg.com and I have fallen in love with it! If it does not work for SMT I won't mind at all, but I already have an abundant amount of ideas for other games as well! Thanks for the suggestion mate!

Marco M. said: Ok, assuming you don't know Japanese... Doing some research I found a japanese game that has been recently translated and might have the right favor. Your main problem is having a class that copies the power (demons) so that you can use them in battle and that's grim and ruthless enough to be a megaten game. Well, since City of Mist is not out yet, try&nbsp; Double Cross+ Inifite Code . A virus hit the world that gives people superhuman powers (Persona, Demon Summoners, etc) however, the more you use these power (for good) the more humanity and sanity you lose. The Double Cross supplements add the ability to "steal" powers. I was also looking for a game with a good talking/fighting resolution for handle the demon contracts (so there is an in depth &nbsp;and fun system to &nbsp;handle stuff). The setting is also close enough to give you the chance to run it with just minor changes. Hell yeah Double Cross is awesome as hell.

Hey does anyone know if there's a character sheet on Roll20 for Double Cross?

There is one, but you need the master to be a pro user (aka it has not been submitted to the roll20 GIthub, but you can copy-paste the code in the custom if you have pro). It has been made by Kevin S. and you can find it&nbsp; here , also he provided some API to speed up the game (also pro only)

Azreal said: Hey does anyone know if there's a character sheet on Roll20 for Double Cross? I guess your gonna do a Double Cross campaign?

Yes, but I'm going to try and use the Double Cross system for SMT. I would like to use the character sheets for that.

Azreal said: Yes, but I'm going to try and use the Double Cross system for SMT. I would like to use the character sheets for that. I guess it is more like Digital Devil Saga where humans are fused to demons? Can you invite me to the game again?

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Yeah yeah

So...date and time or this is to be discussed with the players?

I don't have a date and time just yet, but I'm thinking some time in December&nbsp;