WolfCleric said: Is it me or almost every monster in a monster manual like level ten and up? All the ones worth looking at anyway... Why do monsters have to look lame till your like level 8? So I was wondering is it just me or does it make sense to edit a monsters stats so low level people can fight them? It's a bit of an issue, yes. I don't think my characters have ever fought a dragon, simply because the interesting dragons are too high a level. You can downgrade monsters, but you can also reflavor them. I wanted my players to fight a dragon, but not a baby one, so I took a baby one and reflavored it as an injured older one. Orcs can easily become demons or elementals, or anything you want.