Ravenknight said: Phnord Prephect said: Ya know folks, seriously, this is just going way too far. Oh, the irony! :D Yes, I know. As I said, I'm well aware how this sounds coming from me of all people! My issue here isn't so much the discussion, or the topic, but that we're turning against one another. Everyone has valid arguments, and they should be heard. But the more we fight one another, the less likely we are to be taken seriously. At the risk of getting myself banned suspended again , can we all agree to focus on the REAL issue here, namely the lack of leadership and foresight that has lead to this very real problem? This all stems from the fact that R20 has, once again, failed to take care of a real and obvious problem, and it has blown up in their faces. If we keep focusing on the differences between our points of view, all we're going to do is show that they were right in immediately shutting down all criticism. Roll20 had an issue with their music system. They tried a stopgap measure, and it failed. They tried another, and it failed. Now they have (almost) no choice but to take action, and it's still not satisfactory. We, the users, paying and free alike, have made many suggestions for exactly the sort of thing they've finally ended up doing, and they waited until it was almost too late to take action. And in so doing, have once again let the dumpster catch fire. How many other issues are looming on the horizon, that we've warned them about, and which they continue to ignore? So, I'm saying, let's show them that we're better than they think we are. Let's stop fighting ourselves, and each other, and... (I hate myself for saying this) Make Roll20 Great Again. -Phnord, aka Barth the Bartender, aka Roll20's most vocal critic, and possibly Roll20's greatest advocate.