I can probably get a hold of both of those books, but don't currently have them, and have played a good bit of Vampire but never played any GURPS. How much GURPS would I need to know at character creation? Is learning on the fly gonna work? And, would I get help? I have really liked playing Vampire in the past, and love the idea of finding people to play it with again. I'm not sure what you're looking for in players other than having those books, which is a criteria I don't yet meet... But if you'd be willing to talk with me and give me some more information regarding what sort of game you're hoping to run and what you're looking for I'd be happy to chat. junicorn#5775