Yep, both kinda have their own issues there as we all know, might give it a go or send in a ticket, with that I usually get some type of reply, though usually not the one I want, wait and see is the usual MO :( Main thing is to show that I and other long and short term GM's and players still play Starfinder on a daily basis and these things are pretty big, and was promised at some point, but the radio silence is most obvious and deafening, still to this day. Again, understanding that most Roll20 users never ever post on the forums, but at least one can kind of gauge by viewing count, so to speak Thanks for the help though Tom