Suggestion: Manual placement order for token actions

Hello everyone at Roll20, I'd like to suggest something I'd like to see implemented on Roll20, on all current and future versions. Right now - any token action macros are displayed from left to right in an alphabetical arrangement, but I'd like to ask for a way to manually choose in which order they appear to myself and my players, because as it is now, if you want certain placements of your macro's to show, then you have to carefully name them in a specific alphabetical way. I hope I'm being clear as to my request and reasoning behind it. Thank you.

In-game, click the gear icon on the sidebar. In the first section “Personalization & Display”, there is a checkbox “Alphabetically Sort token Actions”. Unchecking this should allow you to do what you are asking for. edit for posterity: This wasn't the correct answer. Read on.

Unfortunately the checkmark that Jim mentions.... doesn't really quite do what it implies in the name.&nbsp; That's why I think the Suggestion is still a good valid Suggestion that I'd give a +1 support.&nbsp; Certainly try that method, but it may not be satisfying for the original post, particulary not if you create the Token Actions under the Macros tab.&nbsp; With Alphbetically Sort Token Actions checkmarked --- At least you the GM can control the order of the Token Actions bar by putting Alphabetical at the start of the Token Action name.&nbsp; With Alphabetically Sort Token Actions turned OFF --- This is a per-player setting. You have to get each Player to tickmark this setting on their own. Then it will be sortable IF the Token-Actions are built on the individual character's Character Sheet under the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab, that is where you can drag-and-drop the sort order. It is PER CHARACTER, not universal across your game. Furthermore any Token Actions created under the GM's "Macros" tab cannot be sorted in this way. They mix in strangely with Character Actions from the character sheet if you happen to use some of both.&nbsp; Can't find it in the Roll20 Help Center, which seems like an oversight.&nbsp; Read about it in the old Roll20 Wiki,&nbsp; <a href="https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Actions#Sort" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Actions#Sort</a>

Demonspike, I think the "Macro Mule" technique will allow you to use the Setting that Jim said, and do what you want. Are you familiar? Macro Mule Short description, you create all of the macros for Token Actions on a Journal Character under Attributes &amp; Abilities and give control of that Mule character to All Players. (Or, alternatively, create them on each and every Character individually, but that is probably harder to manage). The point is don't create them under the Macros tab, for this method.&nbsp; This way, in that place, there is a drag-and-drop to order them how you want, and they will respect the "Alphabetically Sort Token Actions" being uncheckmarked. Heads up, each of your Players will have to uncheckmark &nbsp; "Alphabetically Sort Token Actions" themself, for this method.&nbsp;

Hi DEMONSPIKE,&nbsp; If you turn off the Alphabetical token actions you can organize them in any order you want on the Character.&nbsp; Note: if you are using D&amp;D 5e 2024 by Roll20 that sheet also organizes the macros in alphabetical order with no option for reorganizing them. I'd ask Roll20 to fix that major issue.&nbsp;

Sorry, forgot to say, I use the 2014 version of D&amp;D - I didn't see any way to turn off Alphabetical token actions.

Jim R. said: In-game, click the gear icon on the sidebar. In the first section “Personalization &amp; Display”, there is a checkbox “Alphabetically Sort token Actions”. Unchecking this should allow you to do what you are asking for. Thank you, I had no idea that was even there. I have unchecked the box, but it still sets them out in alphabetical order from left to right.

Gold said: Unfortunately the checkmark that Jim mentions.... doesn't really quite do what it implies in the name.&nbsp; That's why I think the Suggestion is still a good valid Suggestion that I'd give a +1 support.&nbsp; Certainly try that method, but it may not be satisfying for the original post, particulary not if you create the Token Actions under the Macros tab.&nbsp; With Alphbetically Sort Token Actions checkmarked --- At least you the GM can control the order of the Token Actions bar by putting Alphabetical at the start of the Token Action name.&nbsp; With Alphabetically Sort Token Actions turned OFF --- This is a per-player setting. You have to get each Player to tickmark this setting on their own. Then it will be sortable IF the Token-Actions are built on the individual character's Character Sheet under the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab, that is where you can drag-and-drop the sort order. It is PER CHARACTER, not universal across your game. Furthermore any Token Actions created under the GM's "Macros" tab cannot be sorted in this way. They mix in strangely with Character Actions from the character sheet if you happen to use some of both.&nbsp; Can't find it in the Roll20 Help Center, which seems like an oversight.&nbsp; Read about it in the old Roll20 Wiki,&nbsp; <a href="https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Actions#Sort" rel="nofollow">https://wiki.roll20.net/Token_Actions#Sort</a> Absolutely right Gold, and thanks for the response. So for now, I am having to do this set up. (A)-Action (B)-Action (C)-Action Etc This isn't a huge issue, but definitely could be done better I feel, as a small QoL update that could be easily managed. As you said before, the check box either on or off, made no difference. You may be pleased to know also, I made the leap over to Jump-gate with my campaign, and you were right, it's amazingly good. So many new features I can make use of now which amplify the fun for my players and myself. I use the 2014 5E game version though, as my players and I don't like the 2024 style after many careful considerations.

I also use the&nbsp; D&amp;D 5e by Roll20 (2014) character sheet.&nbsp; With the option turned "off", I can go into the player's or NPC's Attributes and Abilities tab in their character sheet and drag the macros up and down to change their order. (You need to deselect the token and then re-select it to see the change). DEMONSPIKE said: ... As you said before, the check box either on or off, made no difference. You may be pleased to know also, I made the leap over to Jump-gate with my campaign, and you were right, it's amazingly good. So many new features I can make use of now which amplify the fun for my players and myself. I use the 2014 5E game version though, as my players and I don't like the 2024 style after many careful considerations.

DEMONSPIKE said: Jim R. said: In-game, click the gear icon on the sidebar. In the first section “Personalization &amp; Display”, there is a checkbox “Alphabetically Sort token Actions”. Unchecking this should allow you to do what you are asking for. Thank you, I had no idea that was even there. I have unchecked the box, but it still sets them out in alphabetical order from left to right. Make sure after turning them off you unselect the token then reselect the token.&nbsp; If you are still seeing them in alphabetical order please provide a screenshot of the character's Attributes &amp; Abilities tab.&nbsp; Note: if you are using the Collection tab Macros for token actions....don't :) The tab itself organizes them into alphabetical order.&nbsp; Use Ability macros on the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab.&nbsp;

Gauss said: Note: if you are using the Collection tab Macros for token actions....don't :) The tab itself organizes them into alphabetical order.&nbsp; Use Ability macros on the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab.&nbsp; The issue there for me would be..... Collection tab Macros can be assigned to All Players (visible, usable to everyone). Ability macros on the Attriburtes &amp; Abilities tab are only accessible by the Player(s) who have Control/Edit permissions for that Character.&nbsp;

DEMONSPIKE said: Absolutely right Gold, and thanks for the response. So for now, I am having to do this set up. (A)-Action (B)-Action (C)-Action Etc You also can use Symbols there (to save space and have more than A-Z), like ☀︎Action ►Action ✿Action

Gold said: Gauss said: Note: if you are using the Collection tab Macros for token actions....don't :) The tab itself organizes them into alphabetical order.&nbsp; Use Ability macros on the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab.&nbsp; The issue there for me would be..... Collection tab Macros can be assigned to All Players (visible, usable to everyone). Ability macros on the Attriburtes &amp; Abilities tab are only accessible by the Player(s) who have Control/Edit permissions for that Character.&nbsp; Well, yes. But that still works fine for macro mules.&nbsp;

To clarify folks, the problem here is not the token actions themselves. It is that the Collections tab macros and the D&amp;D 5e 2024 sheet macros are alphabetically organized.&nbsp; What needs to be fixed (by Roll20) is allowing both to be reorganized as the user sees fit, similar to how the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab on non-Beacon sheets, or how the Journal tab are organizable.&nbsp;

Gold said: DEMONSPIKE said: Absolutely right Gold, and thanks for the response. So for now, I am having to do this set up. (A)-Action (B)-Action (C)-Action Etc You also can use Symbols there (to save space and have more than A-Z), like ☀︎Action ►Action ✿Action How can I use Symbols instead?

I'm using 2014 sheets , not the 2024 sheets. I'm also setting the macros as rolled tables , on the macros list . Setting them as&nbsp; Token Actions . I understand the idea behind the mule character sheet, but the idea for the short cut macros is that it eliminates the need to have to open up extra sheets by just clicking on the token and then the macro.... It's faster and easier. IF... I was to follow the mule character sheet, I may as well just roll everything myself - but I want my players to have fun with rolling on tables.

You can create token actions on the&nbsp; Attributes and Abilities tab of the player's character sheet (where you can control the order) that call rollable tables under the game's collections tab (what you're calling the "macro list"). That way the player still has their individual token actions when they select their token. This also allows the option for players' token bar macros to share those rollable tables.

DEMONSPIKE said: You also can use Symbols there (to save space and have more than A-Z), like ☀︎Action ►Action ✿Action How can I use Symbols instead? You just type the symbol (you can also use Emoji) or copy-paste it in. If you're not sure how to type symbols... your computer OS will have a "symbol picker" or "emoji picker". Another way is look up "Unicode symbols" on a search engine and you can copy-paste from there.&nbsp; Note the symbols have an "alphabetical" order too. Certain symbols will automatically sort before other symbols, if you have an alphabetical sort happening.&nbsp;

Gauss said: To clarify folks, the problem here is not the token actions themselves. It is that the Collections tab macros and the D&amp;D 5e 2024 sheet macros are alphabetically organized.&nbsp; What needs to be fixed (by Roll20) is allowing both to be reorganized as the user sees fit, similar to how the Attributes &amp; Abilities tab on non-Beacon sheets, or how the Journal tab are organizable.&nbsp; +1 to those areas being fixed also.&nbsp; I think there's a difference in the Suggestion.&nbsp; The Macro Quick bar has a GUI for the user (player) to manually re-sort the order by drag-and-drop. (Right to left) The Suggestion is for adding that capability to the Token Actions bar. Yes it would ALSO grant that capability if users can sort the Collections tab macros within the Collections tab, but alternatively it would work great (better) if any User can sort their own token actions by using Drag-and-drop in the VTT on the bar itself.&nbsp;

I think this is a duplicate of one aspect of&nbsp; <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/</a> Maybe it would be best to put your votes there?

Ulti said: I think this is a duplicate of one aspect of&nbsp; <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/</a> Maybe it would be best to put your votes there? That's literally a 9 year old post - A suggestion that is so easy to do, is obviously NOT going to be done on a 9 year old post - and in truth, it astounds me that you found a 9 year old post, which is similar to what I am asking for in 2026. IF it's taken THAT long, to NOT be added, then I doubt it will ever be added.

DEMONSPIKE said: Ulti said: I think this is a duplicate of one aspect of&nbsp; <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/</a> Maybe it would be best to put your votes there? That's literally a 9 year old post - A suggestion that is so easy to do, is obviously NOT going to be done on a 9 year old post - and in truth, it astounds me that you found a 9 year old post, which is similar to what I am asking for in 2026. IF it's taken THAT long, to NOT be added, then I doubt it will ever be added. To clarify something, Roll20 has taken old suggestions and used them. It is worth noting that for about half of Roll20's existence it was mostly a 1 programmer show. Then when updates were going to start COVID hit and that put everything years behind. Then the basic tech had to be upgraded (ie: VTT engine).&nbsp; The rate of Roll20 improvements is increasing. I expect someday they will do another round of Suggestion forum topics.&nbsp;

DEMONSPIKE said: Ulti said: I think this is a duplicate of one aspect of&nbsp; <a href="https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/" rel="nofollow">https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4356176/moving-macro-buttons-and-colored-token-actions/</a> Maybe it would be best to put your votes there? That's literally a 9 year old post - A suggestion that is so easy to do, is obviously NOT going to be done on a 9 year old post - and in truth, it astounds me that you found a 9 year old post, which is similar to what I am asking for in 2026. IF it's taken THAT long, to NOT be added, then I doubt it will ever be added. Possibly. But it's just the way Roll20's Suggestions forum works (or doesn't work). If this thread doesn't get to +10 votes within 2 weeks it gets closed automatically. The post from 9 years ago has more than +200 which makes it stay long-term to collect votes and comments on the matching subject.&nbsp;