The reason this [[2d6 + ?{attribute mod} + ?{skill mod}]]>7 didnt work properly is because you still needed /roll at the start of that. [[ ]] turns whatever is inside it into a roll, but doesnt have any effect outside it. So you'd turned the first part into a roll, but the >7 was just text. /roll [[2d6 + ?{attribute mod} + ?{skill mod}]]>7 makes it work again. But since you want to see the total and whether it's a success, you cant do it this way as you've learned. If the subtract 8 method works, great. Personally I'd just remove that part and do /roll 2d6 + ?{attribute mod} + ?{skill mod} You know 8+ is always a success, and you can see the exact roll. Just because you can do something with the computer, doesnt mean you always should. Sometimes manual is better.