keithcurtis said: Ah VTTES does intercept some functions, including making a default token. I assumed from the way you stated it you were doing it manually, not using the extension's command. I have been doing it manually. That's why I'm perplexed! I use the extension to edit default token settings sometimes, but with a rollable token, I do it the old-fashioned way. Anyhow I'll check. :)