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Ok, I purchased the Daggerheart content and have created a game, but my players don't seem to have access to the full compendium to create characters. Is there a setting I need to set? I've enabled content sharing, but they still have content locked behind a paywall for the various Ancestries, Classes, Sub-Classes, etc.  Do I need to open a ticket on this? EDIT: The way I had to work around this: I set up a game in Demiplane and invited my players to that game. Then on Demiplane, I was able to click on my main menu and go to Content Sharing and unlock content sharing for the game I started on Demiplane. I'll note, Content Sharing only became possible when people started joining the game I created on Demiplane.

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Finderski said: Ok, I purchased the Daggerheart content and have created a game, but my players don't seem to have access to the full compendium to create characters. Is there a setting I need to set? I've enabled content sharing, but they still have content locked behind a paywall for the various Ancestries, Classes, Sub-Classes, etc.  Do I need to open a ticket on this? EDIT: The way I had to work around this: I set up a game in Demiplane and invited my players to that game. Then on Demiplane, I was able to click on my main menu and go to Content Sharing and unlock content sharing for the game I started on Demiplane. I'll note, Content Sharing only became possible when people started joining the game I created on Demiplane. Unless I am mistaken there is no Roll20 compendium for Demiplane content. You have to go the route you went to access that content via the Demiplane side of things.  Note: I am not referencing content that exists in both Demiplane and Roll20, I am referencing the Demiplane only content. 

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If it is like Pathfinder you can Content Share on Demiplane with individuals as well (as opposed to Groups…) Finderski said: Ok, I purchased the Daggerheart content and have created a game, but my players don't seem to have access to the full compendium to create characters. Is there a setting I need to set? I've enabled content sharing, but they still have content locked behind a paywall for the various Ancestries, Classes, Sub-Classes, etc.  Do I need to open a ticket on this? EDIT: The way I had to work around this: I set up a game in Demiplane and invited my players to that game. Then on Demiplane, I was able to click on my main menu and go to Content Sharing and unlock content sharing for the game I started on Demiplane. I'll note, Content Sharing only became possible when people started joining the game I created on Demiplane.

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RPGeezer said: If it is like Pathfinder you can Content Share on Demiplane with individuals as well (as opposed to Groups…) Finderski said: Ok, I purchased the Daggerheart content and have created a game, but my players don't seem to have access to the full compendium to create characters. Is there a setting I need to set? I've enabled content sharing, but they still have content locked behind a paywall for the various Ancestries, Classes, Sub-Classes, etc.  Do I need to open a ticket on this? EDIT: The way I had to work around this: I set up a game in Demiplane and invited my players to that game. Then on Demiplane, I was able to click on my main menu and go to Content Sharing and unlock content sharing for the game I started on Demiplane. I'll note, Content Sharing only became possible when people started joining the game I created on Demiplane. It's not very intuitive, because until people started joining my group, it always referred me to Roll20 for Content Sharing, but after my friends joined my group, I suddenly was able to to share with them.  It was also at this point that I was given the field to enter the e-mail address of people I wanted to share with.  :-/

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Gauss said: Finderski said: Ok, I purchased the Daggerheart content and have created a game, but my players don't seem to have access to the full compendium to create characters. Is there a setting I need to set? I've enabled content sharing, but they still have content locked behind a paywall for the various Ancestries, Classes, Sub-Classes, etc.  Do I need to open a ticket on this? EDIT: The way I had to work around this: I set up a game in Demiplane and invited my players to that game. Then on Demiplane, I was able to click on my main menu and go to Content Sharing and unlock content sharing for the game I started on Demiplane. I'll note, Content Sharing only became possible when people started joining the game I created on Demiplane. Unless I am mistaken there is no Roll20 compendium for Demiplane content. You have to go the route you went to access that content via the Demiplane side of things.  Note: I am not referencing content that exists in both Demiplane and Roll20, I am referencing the Demiplane only content.  You're not mistaken...it's just poorly communicated how to do it. They mention creating characters on Demiplane, which is great, but until people joined my "group" the content sharing stuff referred me back to Roll20. So, I made sure content sharing was set up on Roll20. Then when my friends joined the Roll20 game, they still didn't have access to my content on Demiplane...even if they tried to create the character from within Roll20 (which would take them back to Demiplane, but no content sharing there). I decided to check Content Sharing AGAIN (this was like the fourth or fifth time I'd checked content sharing on Demiplane) and finally it had something other than referring me back to Roll20.   It was utterly frustrating.

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Finderski said: You're not mistaken...it's just poorly communicated how to do it. They mention creating characters on Demiplane, which is great, but until people joined my "group" the content sharing stuff referred me back to Roll20. So, I made sure content sharing was set up on Roll20. Then when my friends joined the Roll20 game, they still didn't have access to my content on Demiplane...even if they tried to create the character from within Roll20 (which would take them back to Demiplane, but no content sharing there). I decided to check Content Sharing AGAIN (this was like the fourth or fifth time I'd checked content sharing on Demiplane) and finally it had something other than referring me back to Roll20.   It was utterly frustrating. Yeah, I hope that in a future pass they do more in-Roll20 setup for Demiplane access. This back and forth between Roll20 and Demiplane is fine for users coming from Demiplane, but confusing for users coming from Roll20.

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It's not very intuitive, because until people started joining my group, it always referred me to Roll20 for Content Sharing, but after my friends joined my group, I suddenly was able to to share with them.  It was also at this point that I was given the field to enter the e-mail address of people I wanted to share with.  :-/ Err... we need the email addresses of people to have them join a Demiplane game? So my players have to abandon all sense of internet security and privacy just to play SF2E?? Roll20, tell me this isn't so.

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It isn’t so. You can invite to Content Share with the DP username… Plural said: It's not very intuitive, because until people started joining my group, it always referred me to Roll20 for Content Sharing, but after my friends joined my group, I suddenly was able to to share with them.  It was also at this point that I was given the field to enter the e-mail address of people I wanted to share with.  :-/ Err... we need the email addresses of people to have them join a Demiplane game? So my players have to abandon all sense of internet security and privacy just to play SF2E?? Roll20, tell me this isn't so.

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Ah, so you only have to create another account at another site that might be compromised.

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Dr DM said: Ah, so you only have to create another account at another site that might be compromised. Yeah, why have a simple one-site solution? That's soooo 2020 ;)

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Requiring users to have Roll20 and Demiplane accounts is an interesting way to inflate monthly user logins. The R20 platform can report a sharp increase in users because Roll20 users have been strong-armed into making a linked account at Demiplane. Cynical? Sure. But Demiplane doesn't offer functionality or convenience, so it begs the question: why push this on us? If Roll20 isn't making money directly from us then it's coming from elsewhere. And I'd like to point out that Demiplane keeps claiming users will receive equivalent purchased material on Roll20. Except that has never happened, and never will. SF2E and other games are exclusive to Demiplane, so we'll never  get the Roll20 equivalent. All we get is a "courtesy pack" of a few extra tokens. Super. I think the more agreeable way to play SF2E will be via Discord, with paper sheets and dice rolled at home. Roll20 will be relegated to maps only, and Demiplane will be shunned.  The .pdf direct from Paizo are 50% cheaper, and my group are adults - we can play a game without fudging dice rolls. And of course, then it will be time to consider if I need a subscription at all. PS: homebrew support isn't a "feature." It's a bare minimum requirement. An online sheet has to have parity with a sheet I can print at home: ie, complete and absolute flexibility, at all times. If the Demiplane sheet isn't as good as a piece of paper , then there's no point using it.

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I have been playing TTRPGs for over 40 years. I have needed to write down and use some sort of homebrewed content since the beginning. Plural said: PS: homebrew support isn't a "feature." It's a bare minimum requirement.

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They just announced another system, in addition to the incomplete ones that are already there, so these features we keep hearing are coming likely never will.

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Is there a way for a GM to roll secret checks from the new Demiplace PF2 sheets? This is kinda huge as secret checks are a huge part of PF2

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Content you purchase on one platform (Roll20 or Demiplane) can be used on the other, in many cases. (“Buy once, get it twice.”)  Roll20 Plus/Pro subscribers get perks on Demiplane (e.g., unlimited character creation / content Anitaku sharing with up to 24 people).  Macros & Modscript support: Over 2,000 data fields are now exposed from Demiplane sheets for automation in Roll20

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So, I bought Alien RPG: Chariot of the Gods and it comes with 5 Pre-gen characters. The product does not come with a compendium as the rule book is a separate purchase. OK fine. Not interested. This is just a one-time adventure. The game (Roll20) forces me to use Demiplane option as I cannot select the sheet to change it. In the compendium there is a link to Demiplane Nexus compendium - so, now I have two screens for the game. Fortunately, the module has the rules as handouts (which I had to manually enable viewing by all players). But, there is no way to drag and drop from the Nexus site to populate the pre-gen sheet (i.e. the weapons and stuff). Then, I saw that building characters in Demiplane link to Roll20. My understanding is that when a player is given edit rights to a character in Roll20 it shows up in Demiplane. The hope was that they could drag and drop items into the Demiplane sheet and it would get reflected in Roll20. That's called integration. But no.  There is no drag and drop in Demiplane and adding any gear to a test sheet created in Demiplane is locked behind a paywall. Demiplane is shit. Will never use it.

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Hey Doug, sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Demiplane. There seem to be a few misunderstandings here that I'd like to address. Chariot of the Gods was created long before the integration with Demiplane and as such is designed to use the Roll20 character sheets that are built for those 5 Pregens. You should have received a pop-up when you first opened the game letting you know you had two options for the sheet, either the Roll20 sheet from Free League or the sheet from Demiplane. By clicking to choose the Free League sheet here you actually don't need to use Demiplane at all. However, if you want to use the Demiplane sheets, potentially to allow your players to make their own characters with it, the best way to do that is to have your players create their characters themselves and then import them into the Roll20 game. Giving your players edit permissions of the sheets (either Demiplane or Roll20) will not cause those sheets to appear for them in Demiplane. By creating the characters themselves they have edit permissions on the sheet and can then control the sheet within Roll20 the same way they would on Demiplane to add or remove items etc. You're right that there's currently no drag and drop between the Roll20 compendium and Demiplane. It's something that's being discussed and may be possible in the future but these sheets work in fundamentally different ways. For drag and drop within the Roll20 Compendium it's best to stick with the Roll20 sheet but for the most up to date sheet and if you own the books on Demiplane the Demiplane sheet is the way to go. At the end of the day we want to provide options for you to play the way that best suits you, for some people that means sticking with the Roll20 sheets. Personally I like the Demiplane sheets because they're easier for me to create new characters with using the character builder, it's easier for me to manage gear and vehicles, and all of the rules I might need to reference for my character are built into the sheet for me to have easy access to.

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Eve said: At the end of the day we want to provide options for you to play the way that best suits you, for some people that means sticking with the Roll20 sheets. Personally I like the Demiplane sheets because they're easier for me to create new characters with using the character builder, it's easier for me to manage gear and vehicles, and all of the rules I might need to reference for my character are built into the sheet for me to have easy access to. Why yes, I'd LOVE to stick with the Roll20 sheets for Starfinder 2E. When will they be released? We don't  want  to own books on Demiplane. We want to use Roll20. Please, please listen. Roll20 is a good platform. Demiplane may be a tolerable platform. But forcing Roll20 users to go to Demiplane and then make characters and then go back to Roll20 but we sorta kinda have to keep both pages open and we need to buy books on Demiplane but they won't be available on Roll20 except maybe sometimes... Come on, folks. This is not a good user experience. Look. I recently played a session on Forge/Foundry and it was, frankly, shit. Roll20 is leaps ahead in the UI and ease-of-use for players and the majority of GMs. I appreciate that. But this Demiplane stuff... no. For a Demiplane user it makes sense because they get to use their characters and books with a Roll20 map. But for a Roll20 user... we already had all that stuff, on one site, everything working nicely. Demiplane is a step backwards for us.

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