Company Corporate Structure Moving Forward

Athena Crew Positions, continued... OPERATIONS Executive Officer (XO) Skills Required: Combat Skills, Leadership, Tactics (military), Vacc Suit/Zero-G. Also Helpful: Computer, Investigate, Recon, Stealth Compensation: 6,000 Cr Salary, Private Stateroom, 2 profit shares. Notes: Appointed by the Captain, approved by the CEO or Board. Could be Command Officer. General Crew At least 2 suggested Skills Required:  Any useful combination of Battle Dress, Combat Skills, Comms, Computer, Deception, Drive, Explosives, Flyer, Investigate, Jack of All Trades, Medic, Navigate, Recon, Remote Ops, Sensors, Stealth, Steward, Survival, Vacc Suit and/or Zero-G Compensation: 3,000 Cr Salary, Shared Stateroom, 1 profit share. Notes: Appointed by the Captain. Could be combined with another position. And I think that should be about it.  Combined Positions: With the approval of the Captain and the CEO, a single crewperson can serve in two positions. The crewperson must have at least a +2 total DM (Skill Rank + Characteristic DM + Species/Cybernetic DM) with both of the appropriate skills. The salary for a combined position equals the higher of the two salaries plus half of the lesser salary, and the crewperson gets a private stateroom. Any profit shares from two positions are added together. Obviously, all of this stuff is meant as a starting point. Please comment and discuss. 

Man, that executive officer skills required remind me a lot of a certain crew member that rhymes with Daptain Drow

I would be more vocal on this, Wolfen.  However, I am still in a holding pattern.   It seems, at least to me, that if we are to properly staff the Athena, two characters per player and a partially detailed roster of ship personalities as NPCs be considered.   They might be redshirts, blueshirts and sprinkled with a handful of goldshirts for flavor beyond Mook#2.  I for one would love a crew of NPCs that don't go on adventures but still do the baseline work and provide starship ambience society. This and more I could say to contribute.  

Buddah said: Man, that executive officer skills required remind me a lot of a certain crew member that rhymes with Daptain Drow ;) Actually, I still think Crow would be a good Captain.

Yeah he'd have K's vote.

not able to make it to the meta this week. I was hoping that we could work out crew positions and vacancies. As far as Runt goes he seems to be "general crew" at this point. He does have leadership and tactics skills, so he could fit I as some kind of chief or officer role if one needs to be filled. As far as ship skills go he gets +2s in engineer (power plant), gunnery (turret) and coms. He's also an okay small craft and grav vehicle pilot. what I'm really keen to push for is a small team of non robot gunner/security redshirt npcs. A "full crew" means two crew for each turret. Current thinking is that we replace all 24 required crewmen with robots. I'm hoping we can fit in 12 meat red shirts to work with 12 gunner bots. That way we kind of tick the "full crew" box with two per turret.  12 redshirts would take up 6 of our 24 staterooms. I reckon we can do it. 9 single staterooms for soft handed crew, 9 staterooms for VIPs, and 6 double rooms for redshirt gunner/grunts. If we can't have 12, could we manage 6? 

But... I like having a robot team. I can just send them on while I do nothing, it's great.

Yeah I'm pushing for both. We need 24 gunners to be considered "fully crewed". So 12 meat gunners and 12 robots. or maybe 12 minus the number of dedicated player character gunners we have?

I would assume that the idea is to have two shifts or a gunner and a back-up, as in most of the other positions. Robots don't need potty breaks or sleep, etc. I still like the idea of having human gunners as backups or what have you, but I think it's kinda wasteful to have 12 dedicated human gunners on top of our 12 kickass gunnery bots. That said, we actually have a total of 27 staterooms in the final version of the Athena; 13 single and 14 double, and it's not too big a deal to change them over in either direction. 12 Gunner/Security personnel might be doable. I'd be even happier about it if some of them might also have some of the "Also Helpful" skills I noted in the "General Crew" description above. I'm setting up a new crew/employee roster now, and hope to have it set for meta.

Let's try to get this thing settled... COMPANY SHARE HOLDERS Bonded Shares Captain Crow 15 Jeff Scardack 12 Larzamonte Charoux 10 Kayleb Groughtk 8 Sebastien Maddox 5 Izek Mazel 5 Gerald Rhothschild 2 Drex Hegey 2 So far Decided: Company name stays Artemis Group. New ship will be named the Athena. Focus of the company will be maximizing profit via shipping, elite passenger service and speculative trade so that we can accept and pursue mercenary Tickets and other adventures that we choose, based on our collective "moral compass." Those of us at Meta tonight discussed positions aboard the new ship. Nothing is yet decided, but you can find the new Crew Roster/HR Record tab in the Company Docs. We also got the ball rolling on the first official First Shareholder's Meeting, which will be continued here. Please read the description of the process for electing the Board of Directors below, as it's a bit what has been previously described due to some logical inconsistencies. Then weigh in with comments below. I'll update the Meeting Agenda we go and post it in it's own Thread afterwards. Please do remember that anything discussed or decided here will be determined based on the number of shares that people own. Shareholders can also propose Agenda Items in their posts below. A call to close the Agenda can be proposed at any time by any shareholder, and if to call is seconded by any other shareholder, a vote is taken. If the motion to close the Agenda passes with a simple majority, no more new items may be added to the Agenda. Once a Discussion has begun, it can only be interrupted by a motion to Vote, Close or Table. Any shareholder may make any of these notions, and they must be seconded by any other shareholder. Typically the motion is worded to provide a conclusion or next step regarding the subject of the Discussion. (eg, "I move that we Table this Discussion and leave it up to the Board of Directors", or "I move that we Close this Discussion without decision.") First Shareholders' Meeting (via Forum) First Order of Business: Electing the Board of Directors There will be a Board of three Directors; two Shareholders' Representatives and one Employee Representative, as described above. Shareholders may each nominate a maximum of one potential Representative. Each nominee must be seconded by another shareholder. Each shareholder may second any number of nominations. Once all Nominations are in, shareholders cast a number of votes up to their total number of shares, shared out amongst any candidates as they so choose. The two candidates who receive the most votes become the two Shareholders' Representatives to the Board. The candidate who receives the most votes becomes the CEO. In the case of a tie, the Employees' Representative chooses one of the Shareholder's Representatives to serve as CEO. Employees may each nominate a maximum of one potential Representative. Each nominee must be seconded by another employee. Each employee may second any number of nominations. Once all nominations are in. each employee may cast one vote for one candidate. The candidate with the most votes becomes the Employees' Representative to the Board. Shareholder Representative Nominations Jeff Scardack was nominated by Jeff Scardack and seconded by Sebastien Maddox Sebastien Maddox  was nominated by Jacob Crow and seconded by Larzamonte Charoux Drex Hegey was nominated by Larzamonte Charoux and waits to be seconded... Larzamonte Charoux has been nominated as shareholder representative by Kayleb Groughtk and seconded by Izek Mazel. Employee Representative Nominations Gerald Rothschild was nominated by Larzamonte Charoux and seconded by Jacob Crow Kayleb Groughtk was nominated by Jacob Crow and waits to be seconded... Please announce your nominations and seconds in your posts below. Please do not announce your votes until Nominations are officially closed. Jeff Scardack may still nominate an Employee Representative Drex Hegey may still nominate a Shareholder Representative and an Employee Representative Kayleb Groughtk may still nominate an Employee Representative Izek Mazel  may still nominate a Shareholder Representative and an Employee Representative Gerald Rothschild  may still nominate a Shareholder Representative and an Employee Representative Second Order of Business: Old Business: 1. Paying off the Athena Discussion:  We currently owe 555,036,776 Credits for the construction of the Athena.With our current liquid assets of 649,379,769 Credits, we could pay off the debt, leaving us 94,342,993 in liquid funds. The other alternatives are to a) take a mortgage for the full amount of the debt and make monthly payments of 2,312,654 Cr/month for 40 years, OR b) pay off some amount of the debt and then make monthly payments equal to 1/240th of the mortgage per month for 40 years. In effect, interest and bank financing charges make the mortgage cost a simple 120% of the amount borrowed, and the total financed price equals 220% of the mortgaged amount. Please discuss this matter in your posts below, if you are ready to vote on this matter, please announce that in your posts below. Once all shareholders have announced that they are satisfied with the discussion, any shareholder may call the matter to a vote, which must then be seconded by any other shareholder. 2. The Isis Ticket Discussion:  We are currently in possession of the head of Captain Maarg and a set of un-emblazoned hard copies of Psionic manuals. Professor Isis, believed to currently be residing with the Duchess of Mora at Mora/Mora (3124), is waiting to give us our fee of 35 MCr for these objects. Please discuss this matter in your posts below, if you are ready to vote on this matter, please announce that in your posts below. Once all shareholders have announced that they are satisfied with the discussion, any shareholder may call the matter to a vote, which must then be seconded by any other shareholder. 3. The Prototype Hyperdrive Progress Report: ? Discussion : We are in possession of a disassembled, ancient Darrian prototype. The prototype is not of any functional use to any of our ships, current or prospective, but is currently being by a research team. In previous discussions, a number of final fates for the prototype and/or our research of it have been discussed, but a decision has not yet taken. Please discuss this matter in your posts below, if you are ready to vote on this matter, please announce that in your posts below. Once all shareholders have announced that they are satisfied with the discussion, any shareholder may call the matter to a vote, which must then be seconded by any other shareholder. Third Order of Business: New Business: Shareholders can also propose New Business Agenda Items in their posts below. A call to begin a new Discussion must be seconded by any other shareholder.  Ending the Meeting The Shareholder Meeting ends once either of these conditions are met: all of the Agenda items have been decided, tabled or otherwise dealt with, or when a shareholder calls a motion to Close the meeting, as seconded, and the motion wins a simple majority of votes. Any Agenda Items left unaddressed after a meeting ends may be picked up by the Board of Directors or the CEO at their discretion, or get added to the next Shareholders' Meeting as Old Business.

Only one things wrong, Jeff never seconded Drex, and Jeff honestly won't. He doesn't see a reason to, especially since he's new the the company and new to any form of business. Also he's like 5 feet tall. But he does look really cool. EDIT: Jeff isn't short for Jeffrey or Jefferey, it's short for "Jeffrothopoppery" he got it legally changed to Jeff before going into the Navy. 

Also Drex didn't second Gerald, Crow did, I just agreed with you.

Buddah said: Only one things wrong, Jeff never seconded Drex, and Jeff honestly won't. He doesn't see a reason to, especially since he's new the the company and new to any form of business. Also he's like 5 feet tall. But he does look really cool. kk. I'll change Drex to waiting for second. EDIT: Jeff isn't short for Jeffrey or Jefferey, it's short for "Jeffrothopoppery" he got it legally changed to Jeff before going into the Navy.  Buddah said: Also Drex didn't second Gerald, Crow did, I just agreed with you. I'll fix that, too.

I wish I was joking, but I actually have a sheet of paper when I was thinking of names(Drex was one) and I started making sounds and came up with Jeffrothopoppery... I just thought it was stupid so I switched it to Jeff.

Hi guys I'm back, The position of Head steward hasn't been listed.

Welcome back, Vic. I hope you had a great holiday.  I was originally going to make an argument that we only need really need to have a "meat" steward when carrying passengers, but I've changed my mind. I'll add in a Steward/Morale Officer into the roster.

WE WANT YOU! Artemis Group is looking for a few good sophonts! Our new flagship, the Athena , is a state of the art colonial cruiser under constructed at the famous LSP shipyards at Lunion/Lunion (2124) and we need the best and the brightest to crew her. Generous salaries and profit-sharing, all-inclusive medical and funerary benefits, and more for well-qualified applicants. SKILLS NEEDED: Arms & Armor Specialists, Astrogation, Cybernetics, Engineering, Gunnery (turret), Leadership, Life Sciences, Mechanics, Medic, Pilot (small craft), Social Sciences,&nbsp;Space Sciences, Steward, Tactics (naval and military). Also Helpful: &nbsp;Comms, Computer,&nbsp;Sensors, Vacc Suit, Zero-G Please apply to <a href="mailto:HR@ArtemisGroupLLC.corp" rel="nofollow">HR@ArtemisGroupLLC.corp</a> . All applicants must submit to background and credit checks. Equal Opportunity Employer. Employees must agree to Non-Disclosure Agreement.&nbsp; (NOTE:The picture is a placeholder. Hopefully.)

Anybody interested in working on a company logo and/or uniform designs?

We never miss. &nbsp; Ever.

Kayleb says: "Can't miss with Artemis Group on your side."&nbsp;

"That's Force Commander &nbsp;to you, grunt."

"Rain or shine, you're mine ." Artemis Group, LIG. [AG]

Artemis Group. &nbsp;You game?

Very cool. Some of those could be ads for the company.&nbsp;

Electing the Border of Directors Jacob is done with nominations and is ready to vote. Sebastien reserves his right to nominate representatives for the time being.&nbsp; Old Business 1: Paying off the Athena . Jacob is satisfied with the discussion and is ready to vote. Sebastien is satisfied with the discussion and is ready to vote. Old Business 2: The Isis Ticket Jacob thinks that we should send a delegation to Mora to complete the transaction with Professor Isis. Personally, though, he'd just as soon stay on or near Lunion to keep an eye on the construction of the new ship and maybe start screening potential new crew members. Sebastien also wants to close the book on the Isis Ticket, but thinks it would probably be more tactful if we just ship the "fruits" of the mission to her, or send them with one or two people, as opposed to sending a formal delegation to Mora. While there is potential for future business there, our business with Isis is less than public fare. If we want to send a formal delegation or public visit to Mora later, he'd be quite happy to arrange and/or lead that.&nbsp; Old Business 3: The Prototype Hyperdrive Until we get the progress report from the research team, it's hard to make any real decisions. Is anybody dying to get rid of it before the research team announces that they've learned all that they can from it? New Business The Captain of the Athena is meant to be selected at the Shareholders' Meeting as well. Jacob nominates himself and waits for a second . (Sebastien could technically second him, and would, but I'd rather a different player do so.) Are there other nominations for Captain? In the absence of any additional candidates or even if we do get more nominees, the Shareholders can choose to Table the Discussion until new candidates from outside can be recruited. (Would require a proposed motion, second, vote) Jacob proposes a Motion to Add a New Agenda Item: The CFO and the two Command Officers (1st and 2nd Officers) are technically meant to be selected by the Board of Directors, but since we're having the Shareholders' meeting anyway, should we open a Discussion about selecting them as a part of this meeting? This Proposed Agenda Item must be Seconded to be added to the Agenda.

1st order of business Kayleb nominates Shroo as Shareholder Rep. holding off on seconding to see if more nominations come in. 2nd order of business "I'm leaning toward the idea of a mortgage. If the liquid assets could be invested in something that can provide a greater return than the interest being paid that is.&nbsp; Would like Iike to hear if there are any plans for the liquid assets. If it's only going to sit in a piggy bank we should probably just pay off the ship in full." * Stubs out his cigarette.* "As for the Isis ticket, I've always said that we were skating on thin ice with that one. For one it was a straight up assassination job. Two, it was to kill Imperial personal ... For a Zho. We were technically joining the war if we took that job without the Dukes thumbs up. And three, she wanted us to bring her psionic training docs. Not only are those things illegal, they negate the whole " make this whole show go away" vibe that was a strong part of the mission.&nbsp; Isis is currently under close scrutiny. I'm not against taking the witch's money, but if the ticket is a success without the docs I say we put them through the shredder. The less physical evidence that connects us with her and the Wypoc job the better." "As for the hyperdrive ... What are our options? A mountain of money selling, or a freighter load of good will with Darrian if we return it?"

Yer thanks Wolfen the holiday was awesome. 1 Gerald accepts the nomination for Employee Representative 2 Izek Is for the SELLING not giving the drives to the Darrians. He received nothing last time he gave them an artifact and be stuffed if that's going to repeat itself. He just believes they are in the best position to make use of it and not giving the Imperium and even teck edge over their neighbors. As for Gerald he just wants the best price for it. 3 Gerald is not fussed what the group does with the Isis Ticket as long as the cash is there and Izek thinks we should give her what she wants.

As for crew pay and positions i am inclined to think we should all have our positions defined so as to know what people are doing and who is best suited for that roll. But&nbsp; when it comes to pay i think all Owner/Crew should be on the the same pay scale as with only the exception on the captain and Senior Engineer, every one else will be doing multiple jobs. Izek for example is the Steward, Small craft pilot, Star ship pilot 2nd, Engineers mate assault trooper, Scout and pain in the ass. My point is that while yes its good to have a defined position, the contribution that the Owner/Crew put in is un quantifiable. Crew who are not owners should be paid at a relevant rate with opportunity made available for them to become Owner/Crew. Owner crew should also be housed in single staterooms.

Electing the Board: Now that everybody has at least had an initial say, Sebastien is going to go ahead and say that he's done with Nominations for the Board of Directors. Currently we have exactly the same number of seconded nominations for the Board as there are positions:&nbsp;Sebastien and Jeff would be shareholder reps and&nbsp;Gerald would be the employee rep. There are still two nominations that could be seconded to make it a race, however, namely: Drex Hegey was nominated by Larzamonte Charoux and waits to be seconded.. Kayleb Groughtk was nominated by Jacob Crow and waits to be seconded... (although Kayleb hasn't said yet if he's willing to accept the nomination if seconded) If no other nominations come in, we will still need to do a vote for shareholder rep, as the candidate of that race becomes the CEO. Without a competing candidate, however, Gerald will simply be confirmed as Employee Rep. Paying off the Athena Alby said: 2nd order of business "I'm leaning toward the idea of a mortgage. If the liquid assets could be invested in something that can provide a greater return than the interest being paid that is.&nbsp; Would like Iike to hear if there are any plans for the liquid assets. If it's only going to sit in a piggy bank we should probably just pay off the ship in full." * Stubs out his cigarette.* *Sebastien looks at Kayleb as if he's never seen him before* "Well, yes." He nods to the vargr. "The two primary uses for the liquid assets are to pay bills and other fees as they arise and to invest in speculative cargo as we travel. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to guarantee a return on investment on such speculation - or in any form of investment - that exceeds or even equals the 120% interest that we would be paying with a mortgage. There are certainly instances in which we've garnered such returns, but the average return would be somewhat less." The Isis Ticket Alby said:: "As for the Isis ticket, I've always said that we were skating on thin ice with that one. For one it was a straight up assassination job. Two, it was to kill Imperial personal ... For a Zho. We were technically joining the war if we took that job without the Dukes thumbs up. And three, she wanted us to bring her psionic training docs. Not only are those things illegal, they negate the whole " make this whole show go away" vibe that was a strong part of the mission. Isis is currently under close scrutiny. I'm not against taking the witch's money, but if the ticket is a success without the docs I say we put them through the shredder. The less physical evidence that connects us with her and the Wypoc job the better." "While I kinda agree with you on this, Kayleb," Crow grumbles, "I think we've discussed this around and around enough, and I'm pretty sure that we've agreed - not unanimously, I know - to give her what she wants and get the money." *He rubs his bearded chin.* "I guess you guys have a good point about doin' it hush-hush, though. Maybe we can just send Charoux off to make the delivery discretely?" *He looks over at the darrian...* VIC e. said: Gerald is not fussed what the group does with the Isis Ticket as long as the cash is there and Izek thinks we should give her what she wants The Prototype Hyperdrive (If Gerald and Drex could get together with Bob to check in on the research, that would be helpful.) Alby said: "As for the hyperdrive ... What are our options? A mountain of money selling, or a freighter load of good will with Darrian if we return it?" and VIC e. said: Izek Is for the SELLING not giving the drives to the Darrians. He received nothing last time he gave them an artifact and be stuffed if that's going to repeat itself. He just believes they are in the best position to make use of it and not giving the Imperium and even teck edge over their neighbors. As for Gerald he just wants the best price for it. "Obviously, we should hold off on any binding decision until we've heard the report from the research team," Sebastien begins, "but I would like to once again point out that with our connections and current good will with the Imperium, the best price would most likely be here. If one also considers the cost of traveling to the Darrian Confederation as an expense associated with the sale it becomes financially irresponsible to spend the time and treasure of that trip on the very unlikely chance that we could could a better deal from the Darrians. As to what seems to be an effort to turn this into a political issue, I would like to be on the record as saying that I am not in favor of letting our individual political leanings and sympathies dictate policy for the company. It's bad business and it will almost certainly lead to personal conflict between the group and within the company." *Sebastien lets the last sentence hang in the air for a moment* "In the interest of equanamity, would we like to consider sharing some preliminary details and data on our find with potential buyers and just let the market make the decision for us?" Crewing the Athena Captain Crow has nominated himself for Captain of the Athena but has not yet been seconded... There are currently no other nominees for Captain. VIC e. said: As for crew pay and positions i am inclined to think we should all have our positions defined so as to know what people are doing and who is best suited for that roll. But when it comes to pay i think all Owner/Crew should be on the the same pay scale as with only the exception on the captain and Senior Engineer, every one else will be doing multiple jobs. Izek for example is the Steward, Small craft pilot, Star ship pilot 2nd, Engineers mate assault trooper, Scout and pain in the ass. My point is that while yes its good to have a defined position, the contribution that the Owner/Crew put in is un quantifiable. Crew who are not owners should be paid at a relevant rate with opportunity made available for them to become Owner/Crew. Owner crew should also be housed in single staterooms. Keep in mind that owners will be getting additional shares of Ticket profits and Annual bonuses based on their shares owned, as well as quarterly dividends. So by and large, we'll all be getting a much bigger income than our relatively minuscule salaries represent anyway. And any one who holds more than one position automatically gets a private stateroom regardless. That said, I don't really have any major objections to giving all of the owner crew (excluding the CEO, Captain and/or Chief Engineer, or not) all getting the same salary. I think this definitely bears Discussing and eventually a Vote.&nbsp; On the subject of holding lots of jobs, there is a certain truth in that, but in order to crew the ship properly, we are going to have to be realistic and somewhat detailed. Bob wants to see a schedule of who is at which positions when, especially if you want to also be training while you're covering multiple jobs.&nbsp; If you're holding down two positions at once, you take a -2 DM to rolls at both positions. You simply can't do more than that simultaneously. That's not to say that we can't all help out at different tasks or jobs when needed, or that we can't mix up our schedules or positions. Making sure that we know who is normally supposed to be at each post just lets us make sure that we have enough backups to cover all of the positions when needed. It also means that we don't have to sit and wait in Ship Operations scenes wondering who's supposed to make which roll. And, of course, we won't need every position to actually be covered at all times. When the small craft are all stowed away in the hangar, we don't need a small craft pilot sitting in a darkened cockpit, waiting. On a personal note there, robo-Izek, you may also find that there will be passengers who might want a bit more "meat" than "chrome" in their cruise director... ;)

Just logged in anyone about?

I have no "chrome", A shed load of wires and chips, but no chrome. I am way to pretty for chrome.

(Hullo). While I kinda agree with you on this, Kayleb," Crow grumbles, "I think we've discussed this around and around enough, and I'm pretty sure that we've agreed - not unanimously, I know - to give her what she wants and get the money." "Sorry to talk this one around in circles boss, but if I remember correctly the ticket is fulfilled with full pay regardless of whether or not we brought back students or docs for Isis. Seeing that we met the full 35 Mcr without giving her the docs, and that giving her the docs incriminates us ... I mean we'd be giving her something extra for free . Breaking high law for free .&nbsp; Ghosting Marrg had an Imperial stamp on it which made it legit. But trading in psionic docs still makes our hands dirty. At the very least we should be making her pay&nbsp;through the nose for them for the trouble it'll bring us." ...Even then ... Folks keep banging on about our moral compas. I'd like it on the record that my "moral compass" would rather navigate my arse away from traitorous criminal acts committed for no reason or reward.

"I, Jeff Scardack, second Jacob Crow's nomination to the Captain of Athena."

"Oh .. Right. Yeah I accept the nomination. Can you second yourself? I guess not?"

Wolfen said: Electing the Board: bla bla bla bla bla There are still two nominations that could be seconded to make it a race, however, namely: Drex Hegey was nominated by Larzamonte Charoux and waits to be seconded.. Kayleb Groughtk was nominated by Jacob Crow and waits to be seconded... (although Kayleb hasn't said yet if he's willing to accept the nomination if seconded) If no other nominations come in, we will still need to do a vote for shareholder rep, as the candidate of that race becomes the CEO. Without a competing candidate, however, Gerald will simply be confirmed as Employee Rep. ((Kayleb actually nominated Charoux as shareholder rep))

"By the way Kayleb, I'm not seconding you because I don't have trust in you. You're one of our greatest fighters and I will trust you with my life. It's just that I don't think you're ready for higher up, sensitive, decisions on the board. Honestly I'm not 100% sure if I'm completely ready, but I sure as hell know I'll do everything in my power to keep this ship afloat." (That was Jeff if it wasn't obvious, I thought I should give an in-character reason as to not personally seconding Kayleb)

Alby said: "Sorry to talk this one around in circles boss, but if I remember correctly the ticket is fulfilled with full pay regardless of whether or not we brought back students or docs for Isis. Seeing that we met the full 35 Mcr without giving her the docs, and that giving her the docs incriminates us ... I mean we'd be giving her something extra for free . Breaking high law for free .&nbsp; Ghosting Marrg had an Imperial stamp on it which made it legit. But trading in psionic docs still makes our hands dirty. At the very least we should be making her pay&nbsp;through the nose for them for the trouble it'll bring us." ...Even then ... Folks keep banging on about our moral compas. I'd like it on the record that my "moral compass" would rather navigate my arse away from traitorous criminal acts committed for no reason or reward. "Actually," Sebastien says, "There is no provision in the ticket (such as it is) that we would paid in full without the completion of both of the patron's objectives. Of course, you are correct to point out that ticket is not a formal, legal ticket by the virtue of the simple fact that it is, indeed, illegal to deal in psionic materials in the Imperium." *He sips his brandy.* "It's actually something of an interesting quandary. As you say, Mr. Groughtk, Artemis Group wants to do business according to a collective moral compass, and yours points away from this transaction. Leaving aside for a moment the arguable difference between a collective versus a personal moral compass, there is also the balance &nbsp;between Morals and Ethics . Now morals might dictate the destruction of the manuals, but surely business ethics would tell us to uphold our agreement with Professor Isis and to fulfill it to the best of our ability. The precedent set in the 1077 case of the Third Imperium versus the..." *Crow holds up a hand and interrupts the Marquis* "Tell you what Kayleb," he offers, "let's vote on it, all official and corporate-like?" "I propose that we vote on whether or not we give Isis the manuals. Anybody second?" ..... Captain Crow's nomination as Captain of the Athena has been Seconded by Jeff Scardack. (Thanks, Jeff!) ..... Alby said: ((Kayleb actually nominated Charoux as shareholder rep)) Hunh. Right you are, I thought I had posted that into the official Agenda. Sorry. Charoux , you have the option to accept the nomination or not. Larzamonte Charoux has been nominated as shareholder representative by Kayleb Groughtk and waits to be seconded... ..... The framework set up here does not cover whether or not people can second their own nominations (when the nomination is made by another, of course). The intention of requiring for a nomination to be seconded is to make sure that at least one other shareholder would support the nominee's candidacy. So it seems to me that, in these instances, where a nominee has essentially been asked by somebody else to run, we should allow people to second their own nominations. Does anybody object? ..... And finally, I just realized that we never specifically asked Drex whether or not he wants to accept his nomination as Employee rep?

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Izek coughs into his scotch, what you want us to have " Morals and Ethics " that was never in my employment contract. That's almost as bad as demanding "Honesty and Tact" he then goes back to his drink with his usual sly grin. As for Larzamonte Charoux Izek, seconds his nomination for everything saying he wants to see some non imp balance in the corporate structure and grins once more. Izek mumble he doesn't care who does what so long as His pay doesn't suffer.

&nbsp; In regards to pay i do like crew profit sharing but i don't believe it should be available to Owner/Crew, as Owner/crew get the lions share of the profits. I think it should be there for normal crew as an incentive to get better/more loyal crew. As for the pay Owner crew should all get a flat rate for all of them or profits alone. My personal preference is just profit alone as all the executive positions on board and in the company are already taken by players.

Wolfen said: WE WANT YOU! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This one i love for the Roll 20 recruitment. I'm not a fan of the "ELF" on a swing and the others are to furry, while yes there are a lot of dogs and cats in the group, do we realy want every one to know that we can be distracted with a small piece of meat and a ball of string. HEHEHEHE. Na they are all good pics but i think they show us as an aggressive nature to the group, we should look ready,busy and tough with the ability to be proactive not the hit first and walk away from the scorch marks that depict a lot of other merc's. We want to be the merc group that other merc groups defer to. We are well resourced, equipped and trained, We want to be the first group people come to with their impossible missions, not the disposable Riff Raff that are the norm after a war.&nbsp;

VIC e. said: &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Izek coughs into his scotch, what you want us to have " Morals and Ethics " that was never in my employment contract. Ew, being "humane" and "having emotions". I'll leave that for the Steward... Wait a minute.

After a long chat with Izek, Gerald is putting forward the following proposal for Q Store equipment and resupply.&nbsp; 1 That all Q store supply's be the domain of the Security Chief. 2 The Security Chief shall keep a ledger of all equipment and supply's and assets of the company. Ships, grav bikes, guns, armor, ammo, attachments, rope, toilet, paper, chewing gum, cigars, booze, food ETC. 3 A List shall be drawn up of what the Company considers standard issue 4 The Q store Master shall draw up a list of all items they think should be stocked as standard, with cost and local in book. This list should be presented to the CFO for consideration and approval by the board. 5 All LnD of personal equipment that the company covers shall be done on a new and separate thread&nbsp; called "Runts Q Store" 6 A Limit be placed OF up 10 000 Cr for LnD of issued or personal equipment lost or damaged on company time shall be automatically proved by the Q Master. This includes weapons and Ammo. Accounts shall be forwarded to the board for Quarterly meetings. Individual items where the cost is greater than 10 000 Cr need to be ratified by a simple 2/3 majority of the board or failing that 1 board member and the acting Cpt or leader of the mish. If no board members are present then the acting Cpt and their first mate have a discretionary spending limit of 1 Million Cr on individual items in all cases except in regards to any and all ships, where the captain has a "get her the hell home at all costs" binding order.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In regards to Izek and Gerald, Izek cant learn Battle dress 1 ATM as he doesn't have any Battle dress, so ill learn Pilot 1. And if we are on planet ill pay to learn from a professional private instructor if i can get it finished quicker than using a library. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it Possible since Gerald is going to have plebs oops i mean engineers to order around and do his work, so most of his job is just watching screens and yelling at people. Could Gerald do his job from the bridge and pilot the ship at the same time? Even if he takes a minus 2 on his rolls, he's prob still the best engineer we have. Also that wold be just acting as duty watch on the bridge, as in CBT or in take off jump and other time id at station.

Gerald IS also putting forward the idea for the formation of a Company / Employee Loan Scheme Run By the CFO with the following as possible guide lines. 1 All Loans need to be signed off by the CFO and 1 other board member. 2 No loan is to be lager than 10% of the companies liquid assets or 5 million cr. which ever is larger. 3 Repayments are to be the same as for the book in regards to ship repayments.&nbsp; 4 If a lump sum is paid towards the loan in excess of the monthly repayment, then the repayments are to then recalculated to that of the new out standing balance.

I like most of what you've suggested about the Q store stuff, Vic.&nbsp;But what are "LnD" or "OF"? I also like the idea of the Employee Loan program.&nbsp; As for the Gerald piloting idea, I'd personally rather have the Chief Engineer in Engineering, but if Bob says it's doable logistically, I guess we can consider it. So are you saying that Izek doesn't currently have Pilot (small craft) 1?

LnD or Lost and damaged. no Izek has pilot small craft at 2 but wants to learn pilot space craft 1. Unless there is a way i can learn how to use Battle dress with out owning a suit of battle dress. i do also have a pilot skill soft

The "OF" should read "of" hehehe.

Will be putting up a Q Store spreadsheet soon. Can I suggest that each character be primarily responsible for only one role on the ship? We could still do different jobs when needed, but there are usually only 8 hours in a working day. Quality and safety starts to drop off when you push folks to work 16 hour shifts every day. We can fill as many "back up" positions as we like, but being "responsible" for only one role is important. ... Need to know who to blame when that thing goes wrong.

I think we are going to need to put up 2 full rosters for crew positions maybe more. We will need duty rosters and we will need "action stations" rosters. As for crew i think we should consider some more robots. 2 robot valets would go along way, Izek would still be the face man but the service and cleaning would help and the skill of the bots would go a long way to meeting requirements of high passengers to steward ratio. With gunnery robots that's 24 positions we wont need and leaving only bridge and engineering that need full time positions. Our kick ass medical team are only needed on call. On that is the medical bay counted as part of the staterooms or separate? I cant see it on the Athena Ships specs tab. If it hasn't been counted and i am not blind can we go the full monty with the med bay? I have been thinking we might want to get 10 more low births and have some emergency ships troops for them times when u nee extra fire power.