Chris S. said: Have the people who want the bars above the token never run into the problem of an enemy or ally token in the square above obscuring the bar? And if you bring the token to the front, then it obscures the bottom of the art on the nearby token, so...something is going to be obscured. Just curious. Sure but that token covered is usually not that players or monsters turn , and for me and most of my players covering up the head area seems quite a problem compared to covering a name plate or the lower half of a token. And one can as you said pop the token to front if it is active so players and GM;s ca see the pic specifically. My end result so far is HP and all other stats are only in one box so no bar and they just use the bubble for up and down HP, but now none can see a bar and HP is a pretty big deal, I used to usually have all players just see the old green health bar once they got to know each other so they have some idea on HP of others in combat. But no this won't happen, wait and see I guess, only other thing is one can have a lot of space above thew head so new bar not blocking face or sometimes half the figure in the pic depending on their position. I use full square token pics for players, NPC's and monsters, the round ones just don't do it for me sadly/ Tom