Crossing his legs, he sits at rapt attention as Katrin espouses her views. "Well I suppose that does make a lot of sense," he sighs and looks down at the sigils in the glowing in the ground. His mind flashes back to the battlefield earlier that day, marred as it were with burns and blows and blood alike. Grasping out for his own staff nearby, he places it above and between the two markings. "But either way," he drags it haphazardly through the ground that separates the sigils, etching a makeshift scar into the earth, "the result is still pain and death." A particularly thunderous crackle of fire echoes over them as his gaze shifts once more to the Keeper's body. "It feels real crazy to think it's only been a few days since we met, and yet I've seen more violence over this short time than I did in years of sailing around the Cape of Bones up north. I hope it doesn't sound too naive to say I didn't expect that when I first set out from Hol, y'know? Everything seemed real simple." He nods to himself, attempting to affirms his own words. "That isn't to say this experience hasn't been real exciting and enlightening, though! We explored an ancient Tollonian ruin! I healed a crystal and fought a griffin and lost at a card game." He pauses briefly, furrowing his brow, "Say, you don't think there's any chance Mister Thrandimir used his illusions and tricks to help him win, do you?" Before she can answer, he goes on, "Anyway I guess my real question is: at what point do those reasons stop mattering? I know Mister Thrandimir says the ends justify the means, and I guess on a large-scale view that could be true. But! But if winning that big victory means losing yourself, do the means justify the ends?" He leans back, reclining on the palms of his hands stretched out behind him as he stares up into the twinkling nighttime sky. "Whose to say the same ends couldn't be gotten through different means, Lady Katrin?"