Saul J. said: Gauss said: Saul J. said: As for the difference between MToF and MotM sea elves: in both books it says they are subspecies of elves, just adapted to water the same way that the drow adapted to the underdark, and the wood elves adapted to the forests. They are not separate species in either book. On page 61 in MToF it specifically says they are a subspecies (well, subrace using the old terminology), and on page 30 of MotM there's a long description of how the different subraces adapted to different environments after being driven from the feywild. The sea elves were never a separate race/species. Flavor-wise, they are both subraces (using 2014 terminology since we are discussing 2014 books). But, mechanically WotC made all player race/subrace options in the MotM fully fleshed out races, not subraces. Roll20 has always followed that in their compendium entries and in the D&D 5e 2014 by Roll20 Charactermancer. If you create a character using the D&D 5e 2014 Charactermancer it will list Sea Elf (MToF) under Elf (PHB) race and the Sea Elf part under subrace while Sea Elf (MotM) is a listed under race. The MToF Sea Elf is a subrace, the MotM Sea Elf is a race, mechanically. WotC did that, not Roll20. Added note: they did it again in later 2014 publications. Such as Astral Elves in the Astral Adventurer's Guide. You say "Poh-tay--toh", I say "Poh-tah-toh". There's noting in MoTM that says that Sea Elves are a separate race any more than wood elves or drow are separate races. Same is true for Astral elves and the AAG. Calling them separate races would be like saying Africans are a separate race from Americans. But, it's not relevant. Unless WoTC comes out with a statement that makes them all separate races, I go by what I say in any games I run. But, the specific point here is that in the list of races/species available for selection, shown in the original pic, several of them are listed multiple times as being from the same source, and other sources are not listed at all. So, for example, the Sea Elves are listed twice showing the source as MToF and the MotM version (which has different stats/traits) is not listed at all. Perhaps it got missed but I started my comment with the statement that via flavor they are subraces. It is the mechanics and then I explained why MotM/AAG are mechanically not subraces. They were written very differently from subrace mechanics, they were given full race mechanics. In any case I agree that it is not relevant to the problem you were listing, which is why I was addressing it separately.