series0 said: baldhermit said: series0 said: baldhermit said: series0 said: baldhermit said: series0 said: I have read the Basic Rules/FAQ. I have read the New Player Checklist. I have downloaded the Portable Compendium or have access to the Online Compendium. Below is a link to my character sheet which I have made using the above resources. Lucious Monroe and Taye Hi series0, welcome to your first sheet. I would urge you to fill one out by hand and do so properly. I do not understand 'by hand'. Is that using penmanship and sending you a fax? I thought that the sheet was on MW or Roll20 for this purpose. Where do you mean this to be? Just a free form text chunk with name-value pairs? 1) please fill out the current XP. This was implied by the next xp point on the sheet, but I added it. 2) please fill out the race features. I did. They are all still there. 3) please correct the armor bonus under Quick Look Up. Hmm, interesting. It was wrong by 1 point. I corrected it. 4) please provide the ability score array as asked for in Step 5 of the New Player Checklist. I am not sure where to put this as there is no place on the sheet for it. I will add it to the background and level statistic add information. 5) Please remove the color references from page 2 as they make that page hard to read. Please check Step 7 of the New Player Checklist on how we would like powers to be posted. OK took out the color tags and used the format requested. 6) The penalty check under Quick Look Up is missing, please fill that out. It was 0 but I added the 0. 7) Languages is missing. Ok, Added Common and Draconic 8) Please provide us with an itemzied expenditure for your purchases under Coins and Wealth. I did that. It is still there but under items. I copied it to coins and wealth although I thought that was for leftover coins and other items of value past magic items and equipment. I thought the standard equipment was allowable without expenditure within reason. I am maintaining that assumption so far. 9) where does the miscellaneous +2 to AC come from? Battle Cleric Lore 10) please list your non-magical items and gear at the center bottom of page 1 That section of the sheet is not originally intended for that purpose. In keeping with race and class features it is other things of note about you. The magic items and equipment section is for ... magic items ... and ... equipment. But I copied the entries from one place to another as well. 11) please explain how this character has 7 trained skills Hybrid Rogue starts with 5 Human +1 Multi Class +1 12) this character has no proficiency to use a staff as an implement, yet has implement powers. And he has holy symbol proficiency. Eventually he will get a magical one. Right now his single implement power does not really have to hit to offer its great benefit. Please take your time to review the above. When you are ready, please use the Quote function to include this message in your response. Let us know what, if anything, you changed about the sheet. Using phrasing like "Fixed" or "Done" is not recommend as it still forces a DM to search through your sheet to see what was changed. I think the sheet is ready again for review. Thanks for your help. Since it was so oddly filled out, I assumed sections had been automated in some way, shape or form. If that is not the case, my apologies. At 1 : Please fill out the current and next XP OK, added back the next xp. I assume we start at the base of 5th level, not the top end as the character generator incorrectly assumed? At 2 : Please fill out the race features I did, but I separated them, since that must be what you mean here. At 3 : Thank you, now please address the speed penalty OK, the sheet would not let me enter it in the quick lookup but the armor place must be where it has to originate. Fixed it. At 4 : Please read Step 5 of the New Player Checklist. I have read it. I chose one of the arrays from the linked list. I am so not a new player to 4e and I know the array I chose is correct for my hybrid class. It also says new players (assuming to this campaign) PROBABLY should choose one of those arrays. I am electing to be improbable but correct for my build. The comments there are aimed at assuring the character will be an effective addition to any team. Is there some suggestion that this character would not be? If there is something else you want me to glean or follow from that section, I confess I do not see it. Please state what change is needed directly. At 5 : Check and thank you At 6 : Check At 7 : Check At 8 : Check At 9 : If the +2 to AC under Miscellaneous is from the Battle Cleric class feature, then where does the +2 to AC in the class box come from? Yes the non updating portion of the sheet was from when I had the +2 on armor and the +1 on weapons. I forgot to switch the non updating portion. With this sheet your damned one way if you do and another way if you don't. Tedious. Of course it is my fault. At 10 : Check and thank you At 11 : Check At 12 : Right now your character has Holy Symbol and Ki Focus proficiency. That notwithstanding, the +8 you have listed on Moment of Glory, despite it having an effect that is beneficial regardless of the hit, is incorrect. Yes, the generator assumes a fact not in evidence for the rare campaigns that follow the rules to the letter, e.g. that any weapon or implement is a qualified weapon or implement. And then we all got used to playing that way. I changed it to +5 which is correct. At 1 : check At 2 : What I was hoping for is that you treated this properly, and listed 'Languages: Common + <choice> Ah, the generator does not list languages amid racial feats on the generated character sheet. It puts them only under languages so I was following precedent in one sense. Granted, I did not originally fill out languages. I added your precedent now that I know it also relates to languages. Bonus feat : <choice> Added Bonus Skill : <choice> Added etc etc. You think I am being nitpicky to mess with you, and that probably explains the tone of your replies. I am nitpicky with everyone, due to the size of this group we have to be strict at this stage to make the actual games run smoother. I agree and I know. There is being orderly and being nitpicky though. I can appreciate both. I am known amid my groups for being the most nitpicky one. The affectation part comes in when items discussed and demanded are not effective or common barriers to smooth play. That may be opinion, but mine is those that come up EVERY TIME or the FIRST SESSION IN PLAY (not review) are the ones worthy of such analysis. A human grace, sorry Human: Grace, is needed. Still, in the interest of nitpicky perfection, on we go ... What do you mean by "Human : Extra Race" ? A mistake of course. I need an extra racial bloodline. But that is just humor. I correct this to skill and added the choice. At 3 : I do not understand what you wrote, but it is now entered correctly. Check At 4 : It tells you exactly where we would like you to put the chosen array, racial bonus and level 4 boost. I did however manage to find it between a whole bunch of other unnecessary text that does still seem to indicate to me you used some sort of generator. Check. Yay! At 9 : Check At 12 : Check in regards to your adjustment to Moment of Glory. That does however not change the fact you are basing your assumption on a generator you know not to work correctly within the actual rules. Staff of the Serpent is an implement, not a weapon. Staff of the serpent is BOTH an implement and a weapon, as are all staves. This is shown clearly by reading the staff's abilities that imply it can and should be used in melee combat as a weapon. New (to me) 13 : How does your character have access to the Rogue Tactics? And if that is a valid choice, please indicate which tactics you selected. The failure left over from an old build where I copied race features because they do not auto update which they should. I had chosen hybrid talent and Cunning Sneak as the tactics, but I chose instead to take Tainted Wounds as a feat. Depending on the GM that can be a terrible choice or an amazing one. I am going with the odds. - I removed Rogue Tactics. new (to me) 14 : Per our rules on items, that neck item is not one your character can have or obtain as it is unique to a specific quest. I quote from our rules on items : "unique quest items that should only be obtainable through a quest from a specific adventure are not allowed. General rule: if it's not in the compendium, it's not available in this campaign (though not everything in compendium is available)." Ah, well, so be it. I have changed the item in question for the Spidersilk Mantle +1. Hopefully that is fine. At 2 : Not sure I understand most of what you are stating there other than once again using a generator which we told you not to use and you originally denied using as an excuse. You are an experienced 4e player and frustrated with baby steps, I get that from your replies. Yet the way the sheet was filled out does not help you, but rather hold you back. At any rate : check. At 12 : I am not saying the Staff of the Serpent cannot be used as a melee weapon. I am saying your character is not proficient in the use of staves as implements. So the property and power of the implement do nothing for your character. At 13 : check At 14 : check Assuming you are aware of the limitations of using an implement your character is not proficient with, I will set you up with a journal. You will find it in the top right corner after you hit Launch Game. Our second video also covers this. Please use the templates provided, and when you've set up the attributes and macros, flag down a DM on Discord (the welcome channel addresses this) so that they can make you a token. Don't forget to add this character to the census.